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  1. Pencil Monkey

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    I have had a day that seemed like it would never stop. A student of mine with a bladder problem was bugging me to go to the boys room in the middle of the math lesson. I kept trying to hold him until I was done teaching. Well, I finally gave in the 8th time he asked me. This student is the nephew of an administrator and a known behaviour issue. I told him he had two minutes, and if he wasn't back in time he would be in trouble. He often uses the bathroom as an excuse to get out of class. Remember this is a third grader.
    This child goes to the bathroom, students of two other grade levels happen to be in there too. Somehow my clothespin bathroom pass that was secured to his shirt when he left my room wound up being flung around the bathroom. It lands it on the toilet where my student proceeds to pee on it. :eek::eek:hmy: My student fishes it out, doesn't wash his hands and comes back to my classroom and hangs it on hook next to the door. Meanwhile I don't realize that it is soaking wet (with pee). It drips all over my signout clip board, and all over the passes.:eek: Later, I hear a little knock on my door. Its a first grader who has come to tell me what happened. I ask the kid if it was true and he denied it all. I point out that my pass is wet so he must have done it. Another stucdent, a second grader comes up to me in the hallway while we are having this discussion and tells me the same story.
    So I wrote the child up and sent him to the office with an aide and a write up form filled out. I followed our procedure. Ten minutes later he is sent back to my room.:mad:No punishment. The principal wrote warning on the slip and sent it back. So I spoke to the parent this afternoon and all they could do was laugh. :mad:

    I had to disenfect my whole classroom. I stayed two hours after school today cleaning because I couldn't bare the thought. My classroom smelled like urine all afternoon. I'm talking pee dripping down the wall off the pass here! My hall passes were ruined for the second time this year by this child. He wasn't punished because he is a family member of administration?

    What am I supposed to do? Clearly he must think he can get away with murder now.
     
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  3. BethMI

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    What a crock! I'd be pretty disgusted and upset too. I'd talk to administration, this is a health issue! We're not supposed to touch bodily fluids and here it is running down your wall!! Any other child would have been punished, I would imagine. If that was my son, I would be appalled and he'd be in trouble in your room and at home.
     
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    Wow, what a day!!! I couldn't imagine this happening in my room. And it is a shame that nothing will probably happen to this child because he's related to an administrator.
     
  5. MelissainGA

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    Julie I am speechless. I honestly can't think of a response to this one that is actually typeable for public viewing other than the fact that your administration needs to develop a spine and look up health statutes. EWWWW can we say totally disgusting?
     
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    That is disgusting. I would have that child staying after and working very hard at disinfecting the room again.
     
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    Sounds like he just needs to wear a pull-up if he can't make it until group bathroom breaks if he's going to be such a royal pain. Next time just stick a nametag sticker on him saying bathroom pass.
     
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    Oh, I would be hot. I had a parent call me the other night and ask if her son could take extra bathroom breaks. Mind you, we have breaks galore-plus they get one freebie in the morning and the afternoon. She told me that he feels "pressured" when he thinks he can't go-which I'm sure is probably true. But he is also 12, and needs to learn to handle it! Yes, I asked if there were any medical issues I should be aware of, she said no.

    So today during our 20 minutes of AR, before which I give a bathroom break, and don't allow RR or drinks during, he comes up and tells me it is an emergency. What do I do? I have no doubt he would have peed down his leg if I said no. Ugh.
     
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    I've been told by a principal that you can't say no to a student who asks to go to the washroom. I've always had a 'carte blanche' policy for bathroom privileges and so far it's never been abused. I guess the best you can do is keep track by using a sign out sheet and then if it becomes a problem, (always during instruction, taking too long, etc...) you have something to work with.

    As far as the kid abusing the privilege by peeing on the pass, etc... and nothing being done about it, I think I'd get my union involved and I certainly would not be doing the cleaning from it.
     
  10. TeacherMJ

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    Eeek! Yucky! Well since this is what's happening in your school I don't know that there's much you can do at this point. Keeping the student in line when he's in your classroom will help and hopefully rub off in other areas.

    As for all the ruined things from this incident, its unfortunate, but moving forward is best...just hoping your room doesn't smell anymore!
     
  11. BioAngel

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    That's horrible!! It made me laugh but honestly I would have been really upset if a kid did that in my classroom.

    Tell if he wants to ever use the bathroom again, he can ask only certain time and SET THE TIME. No if's and's or but's. Pick (if you have him all day) 2 or 3 times during the school day when he can ask and tell him he will NEVER be allowed out any other time.

    I would then suggest that another condition would be to give him his own special pass and keep it far away from anything you own. That way if he ruins it, you have to keep him in from recess to make a new pass. Also keep disinfecting wipes in the classroom and tell him he MUST wipe the pass when he gets back EVERY TIME.

    I would also tell him that as a punishment he will have no bathroom privileges for 3 days. And don't give in to him: he only is allowed to use the bathroom when the class goes together and that's it.

    If Admins wont be strict to him, you have to. I'm sorry you have to deal with such a disgusting little child.
     
  12. Weazy

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    I have no problem telling a student no, but I teach freshman. I do not always say no, but I have learned (the hard way) that if you say yes to one, then they ALL want to go. "You let so and so go." Ugh! If I have a student who hasn't abused the privilage, I let him/her go. I tend to have more ask if we are taking a test, or I let them have quiet reading time. Of course, they ask out of boredom. I tell them no. I have been told, "I have a bladder problem" I tell them to bring me a doctor note or have the school nurse contact me. I know I sound mean, but I have been walked over by these kids one too many times, and I have too much material to cover. They are old enough to have better bladder control. As for letting them have a certain number of passes each semester--I don't have time to keep track of that. So far, I haven't lost a kid yet due to an exploding bladder. :lol:
     
  13. monsieurteacher

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    I don't think that's mean at all Weazy... by the time they're freshmen they should be able to hold it in for a class period. In elementary school I let them go (only one at a time) as long as they ask.
     
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    Yes, it would be a bit different in elementary school. By middle school I would probably start limiting their trips though.
     
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    :dizzy:YUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  16. giraffe326

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    Very gross.
    Of course, my fellow 5th grade teacher had a kid pee in his chair today- just sitting there :eek:
     
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    When I taught 3rd grade one year this was a problem. I bought a simple sand timer (egg time? 2 minutes?) and they had to turn it over when they left and were supposed to see if they could return before it ran out. You could have them bring it to you (place it in your hand) just before turning it over, to monitor it more closely. I do like the idea of a sign out sheet - you can see patterns about time of day/subject being taught/frequency/etc.:unsure:
     
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    I second the suggestion to get the union involved. There's a huge difference between the admin overlooking a moderate behavior problem and ignoring valid health concerns. If you do try to "get tough" it might backlash on you, so your best bet is to get your union inolved at the very begining, so if it should come to trouble, they've been following you every step of the way.
     
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    yeahhhh except- I have a tiny bladder and sometimes I have to go twice in an hour. Diabetics do too. Well I can say this- he did not actually deliberately or intentionally set out of your room to pee on the pass/ Cleaning the walls would be plenty fair. Even when we don't intend to hurt someone we still have to pay restitution in order for all to be reconciled. ....and that is how I would explain it to him. Use the cleanliness as an issue and make sure you give him gloves. The parents clearly could see that you were upset and their giggling spell was rude. These kinds of parents ruin their kiddos. I feel sorry for you.
     
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    :eek:hmy: My, my, my! This is one of the most outrageous student behaviors I've ever heard. I'm overly cautious when it comes to germs & bacteria as it is!
     
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    First of all.............EEEWWW! Now that I have that out of the way, I think the parents should be ashamed of themselves! If a teacher was to tell me that one of my kids did this I would be MORTIFIED! I would definitely make the child clean the mess the next time. If that means no recess, then so be it!
     
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    I like SP's idea of just putting a name tag sticker on him as his pass next time so he can just throw it away.

    Weazy, you don't sound mean. I always tell kids (I had middle school) that they can't go during a test. I also tell them the best time to ask is right when they get to class before it's officially started.
     
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    I will also let the students go anytime they ask(Kinders)- but it is frustrating when you take them as a group, go back to the room, start explaining the lesson and suddenly someone has to use the restroom-and it's an emergency. We have to send them in pairs for safety, so that's 2 students missing instruction. Either they were playing when we went as a group or they want to go play now.

    What if the student had urinated on another student? Would that have warranted a punishment? The parents laughing is completely disrespectful - they should be buying you a new restroom pass. It's unbelievable what we have to put up with sometimes.
     
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    That's so nasty.

    Since he's related to admin you're basically stuck with him for the year, unless you can get him moved out.

    The biggest and perhaps only consolation is that he'll be someone else's problem next year, and in my experience those kids are often the ones hand-cuffed and carted off to jail in jr. high. Parents enable their kids to be brats and then they're shocked when they grow up and they're not responsible.
     
  25. Maxadoodle

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    This is pretty gross. I'm curious about the younger two students. Did they help fling the pass around the bathroom? Did they see him pee on the pass? Did they tell their teachers about it, which is why they came to talk to you? I might have offered to let your student wear the pee pass in the future, while your other student could wear the new clean ones (only kidding). I teach 3 year olds and haven't had anything like that.
     
  26. TampaTeacher

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    Gross. Gross. Gross.

    Last year, I had to be away from my class for a week for personal reasons, and the same sub covered for me each day. Very quickly, she realized the kids were taking advantage of her by asking to use the restroom, non stop. She came up with a pretty great plan. If they wanted to go during a non-designated time (and trust me, there are plenty of times they are allowed to go), they had to write a couple definitions from the dictionary. Nothing major, it would just take a minute or two.

    Being someone who has to pee pretty frequently, I liked this plan. If I were a student and truly had to "go," a couple definitions would be a small price to pay. If I didn't really have to go, it wouldn't be worth the trouble.

    I think I'll use this idea if a problem arises.
     
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    Oh, I really like that idea tampa teacher. My kids don't abuse the privledge, but if I ever have a class that does, I'm using that trick.
     
  28. michelleann27

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    I agree and I would be very appalled also. I would have made him clean the room. That just isnt fair to you to have to deal with that and your right if it had been any other child that child would have been in trouble. :mad:
     
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    We have a bathroom issue with a 2nd grader at my school and the teacher came up with a great plan. She printed up name labels to serve as the child's passes. The child sticks them right on her shirt, and peels them off to throw away as she re-enters the classroom. The child has 4 name labels on her desk every AM. She can use them however she wishes - all in the first hour, or spread throughout the day. (The class also does whole class breaks - one in the AM, one before lunch and one after lunch).

    As for the other problem - how would the administration feel if this child wasn't the one who peed on the pass, and he went home complaining that someone else had peed on the pass, and he'd accidentally touched it when he went to use the pass next? Hmmm??
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    I agree - cleaning it up is just a natural consequence. Shame on the parents for finding humor in their child's behavior. This behavior would NEVER fly at my school. My principal and custodial staff would have that child cleaning either the entire restroom or every boys' bathroom just so he can see the time and attention it takes. As a parent, I would have my child clean all the bathrooms at home, too!
     
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    It gets better every day. Yesterday the same child demanded a bathroom break. I held off the requests repetedly. The child's mother was in the front office watching him on our security cameras. He left my room and I noted the time in my documentation log. He was gone for 20 minutes. In the meantime I requested the office to send someone to find him. He was in the bathroom with my pass, caught red handed. This time, my bathroom pass was on top of the emergency light fixture! He was climbing things to try and get it.

    I think I might request that an aide escort him every time. This is just nuts!
     
  32. BioAngel

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    The Aide idea might be the very best thing that you can do. I'm so sorry you have to deal with something like this--- we're not babysitters or potty trainers... it's a shame parents think we should play these roles. :(
     
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    That's awful! I agree with BioAngel - set time/amount limits with this kid and stick to it.
     
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    Julie-Did you have a chance to talk to the mom while she was in the office?
     
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    This is ridiculous,but it goes on all the time.Children of PTA officers are treated special and get the right to pick their child's teacher. The nephew of our guidance counsellor is handled with kid gloves.Teachers bring their child to our school,heaven knows why,and get to pick the teachers,and make switches without any questions asked if they don't like what they see. However,this does not make it right. SHAME on the administrator for allowing this to happen. What message is he sending to his nephew. I would never allow this child to go to the bathroom alone,and document every thing he does.Treat him like every other child,don,t be afraid to confront the administrator with the facts. Make your union representative aware what is going on.I don't think this administrator would put his job on the line for his rotten nephew.
     
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    That is just so nuts. I was wondering the same thing. Did you have a chance to talk with the mother? The child would have to be taken by the janitor etc. I would not let that child go alone anymore. Preferably male gentleman who can go in the restroom and wait for him to come out of the stall and them take him right back to the room. Maybe he will get it and stop his foolish behavior.
     
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    Count me as number three who was wondering at Mom's response since she was watching him on the security cameras and he took a 20 minute bathroom break where he got caught not doing what he was supposed to be doing. Surely THAT got some type of positive (toward you) reaction out of her.
     
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    dying to know what mom's reaction was- I hope she didn't giggle!

    TELL

    my thoughts- your principal that is related to the boy may have integrity after all- and wanted to show there is NO abuse of power on his watch/ Julie you probably get a vibe from him- would he take advantage? Maybe he had an afterthought and decided he could get into trouble for being too lenient....
     
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    I also teach third grade, however, I don't remember third grader's bladders being this small last year. We take 3 bathroom breaks (as a class) each time PLUS one emergencies only break on the way bacl to our trailer after outdoor P.E. Yes, I have one students who seems to have to pee every hour!!! There are a few others who seems to have to pee nonestop as well. So, on Friday I decided that water bottles were no longer allowed in the classroom. I can't beleive how often these littles ones need to use the bathroom. I end up having to reexplain or reteach. Also, since we are in a trailer, it takes a good two minutes to get there and back then add in the bathroom time and goodness, it's a whole lot of tiem outside the room. (for our group bathroom breaks and the other ones the kids need).

    It's driving me CRAZY!!!
     
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    I would have made him clean my room!! I'm sorry you have to deal with this Julie- it's not fair! I also want to know what reaction mom had to the 20 minute bathroom break- she couldn't have been happy about that one!
    We go twice as a class (kinder), once in the morning and once in the afternoon. If I have someone ask me in between, I usually let them go as long as I'm not specifically "instructing". It also helps that I can see all the way down the hall to my bathrooms from my classroom, so I watch them walk all the way down and back...I think that keeps them from fooling around too much.
     
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    The natural consequence could be cleaning your room. Perhaps a week of cleaning the room during recess would be enough to teach him how serious this is. I had a 4 year old in my class that peed on the floor of the bathroom daily. His dad told me to make him clean it up. I have a bathroom in my classroom so it was easy enough to do and he did quit doing it after a while.
     

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