Wow.....part 2... just turned to WOWZA!!!

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  1. Teaching Grace

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    So, my P pulls me out of after school tutoring this afternoon to talk to me about next year. However, after the conversation yesterday, where I'm going to teach K..... they P and APs want me to consider becoming a co-teacher for third grade next year..... which means I will have to become Special Ed certified next year... It makes no sense because I just finished getting my gifted endorsement... Plus, I have to have an answer about whether I'll do it or not by tomorrow morning!!!
     
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    Wow, that's craziness. If you can take the K job, try to stay away from getting spec ed certified. There is a lot of work thrown on these teachers and lots of legal responsibilities that you do not want thrown on you until you have the certification.
     
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    that is a WOWZA and you have to let them know by tomorrow morning :dizzy: That's seems like a really big decision to have to make so quickly. Do you feel like they are really asking you or do you feel like you have to say yes??
     
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    I don't think I would be unless they were offering some tuition assistance!
     
  6. Teaching Grace

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    INteacher, I told them (excitedly) yes for the K position. One of the APs told me that if I say no I'll have to have a good persuasive argument for the P because she will persuade me to do it....she's great at persuading. I'm not sure what to do or what to say. I'm confused on if this is a positive thing or a not so good thing. My husband wonders if they are trying to get me out of the classroom but I don't know if that's true or not. They have told me repeatedly that they are very happy with me.
     
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    kcjo, I wouldn't be going back to college. Well, I'd be getting my specialist but that was my doing. This wouldn't require any other college. I would have to take our state test to become certified but other than that I would just have to take training on writing IEPs.
     
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    Here's my take on the matter. In our state, 3rd grade is a highly important tested year. The administrators try to place teachers in 3rd grade that are very strong, especially in reading. The co teachers are quite important, also, because they give an extra layer of support for the lower children (or "bubble" students). Being realistic, state testing requires that we give tons of support to the children who can or may pass the "test".
    My guess is that the administrators are feeling that you are a strong teacher whose talents lie in those important areas, and who has a strong, confident enough personality to be a co teacher.
    I would find out who they plan on having you co teach with. No matter how strong you are, if you are placed with a teacher who doesn't embrace the concept or who doesn't share your passion, the situation would be tough to work with.
     
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    I would not want to move into special education if I didn't have the college and student teaching experiences. Writing an IEP may not in itself be difficult, but there can be so many legal repercussions with it that I wouldn't want to be thrown into this position without the proper training and knowledge of the law.

    If you do decide to make this change, make sure that you have a great coteacher and a great mentor special education teacher.
     
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    Would you be writing the IEPs or would the special ed. teacher be writing them? Do you know who your co-worker will be? A year is a long time to spend with someone who is not as hard as worker as you are.
     
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    Yeah! Proud, I was so hoping you''d weigh in! I would be trained as the special ed teacher! They want me to become dual certified. So I would have to be trained in how to write them but that's the whole training that I would get.... and then I'd have to pass the GACE.

    I am so confused on what to do. I can't believe that I have to decide by tomorrow morning.....
     
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    So they'd just send you to some workshops on them instead of paying to get you a masters in sped?

    Doesn't sound very good, since the training sessions probably won't tell you everything you need to know about the laws (and there is a LOT)
     
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    Just playing the devils advocate here....what would happen if you said yes, and then didn't finish training/pass GACE?

    I think 1 day is too quick to make that decision!

    You teach third now? and get along with the teacher you will be paired with? Kindergarten is not MY favorite, I love them, but enjoy teaching the 2nd and up the best. Could you spend some lunch time in K to get more of feel for it.
     
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    If you can turn down Special Ed, do it. It is not what it used to be. I feel as if we have a much harder workload then Gen Ed teachers because our class sizes are not so small anymore for the same pay (there is no difference in pay where I work).
     
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    Getting your endorsement isn't really going to help you in the classroom. If you are talked into taking the position, make sure they send you to similar classrooms in the county to observe and to connect with teachers in your "position". I guess the one good thing about the county is that each special ed. position is kind of compartmentalized and there are special workshops for each group. Ask your principal if there is a special group for this position?
     
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    Well, I actually would not be compartmentalized or be a pull-out teacher. We are working towards having complete co-teaching situations where the special ed and general ed teachers are both in the classroom all day long. They wouldn't be sending me to any trainings or workshops at all with the exception on how to write an IEP. I studied as a general ed teacher in college. There are pros and cons to this but I just do not know what to do. I have to have my answer this morning....and I feel sick to my tummy!
     
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    My opinion is that unless you'll be let go for refusing, I wouldn't do it. That's a lot of responsibility and stress!!
     
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    Then refuse the offer. As they are going to make you a sped teacher without any of the training.
     
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    My thoughts exactly! You do not want to be in the world of special education without the training and observing and guidance that you would get.
     
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    ugh, I woudl totally go with the K job! ( biased of course because I teach K -)

    It does sound like a nightmare to have to get the special ed element down pat :(
     
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    If you aren't comfortable with the co-teaching position, then I wouldn't go for it. If you said no to the co-teach, would you still be placed in K?

    Let us know what you decided!
     
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    I don't understand why they don't hire a special ed. teacher (or move one of the resource room teachers to this position) and make you the general ed. teacher in this situation??
     
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    I'm not sure either Proud. I'm really thinking about just saying no. However, the problem is that if my P has her mind set on this.... I'll have to persuade her otherwise. I was supposed to go talk to her first thing this morning... but I simply wasn't ready. So, I'll be talking to her this afternoon after school I guess. Not sure that was the best decision, don't really want her mad at me.
     
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    Really talk up the having someone with the legal no how in that position and how you would love to coteach as the regular education teacher....
     
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    Hmm, that's really something that they're kind of pressuring/hoping that you'll return to school to do this. Yet, if you say no, it's like you're not being a team player, not cooperating, or whatever they want to call it. :mad:

    When I was a 1st yr special ed teacher, my P wanted me to run this afterschool program, etc., which I felt was too much to take on since I was not only a 1st yr teacher, but special ed, plus & I had to do BTSA. I refused to do it because she never mentioned about that in the interview & from what I found out at the time, by law, I couldn't be made to do something out of the blue if they never mentioned it in the 2 interviews I had just finished doing at the time. But, I think that may have played a part in my not being rehired, but I couldn't prove that was the reason they didn't rehire me. Oh well, I saw it as a blessing in disguise.
     
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    Don't know what you finally decided but imho I would give the special ed position a wide bearth. I have a Reading, ELL, and Gifted endorsement for a reason. I am not cut out for teaching special ed. Not even close and I know it. It would be a disservice to the students for me to be the SPED teacher. If given a choice between K or SPED, I would choose K even though I have taught K before and jumped at the opportunity to move up to a higher grade (am happier when they are a bit more independent although they were sweet and did love their teacher :) )
     
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    I chose K and was told that the Special Ed was " a better course.".... I never had a choice. Not really anyways. I went in with my concerns (was told that they will be considered) and then told that it was the best course (and that I was worrying about things I shouldn't be worrying about).... I feel like I was lied to. Yesterday I felt like I had a choice and I never really did. I feel a little broken hearted about it :(
     
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    I'm sorry that the principal is pushing this on you. Just remember, we are all here next year when you need us. And demand that they give you a mentor teacher that is in the building who is a special education teacher. Ask to observe a few IEP meetings before you conduct your own. Also, make sure the principal sits down with you before your first few IEPs to make sure that you are doing them correctly.
     
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    I am friends with several special ed teachers but I'm probably going to be the only one on my grade level.... I'm bummed about it. However, I know my normal attitude. I will take my Spring Break and improve my attitude on this "new decision".....
     
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    This is what scares the hell out of me about our education system. A majority of people in education actually think this "inclusion" lunacy is a good idea.
     
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    I HATE it when they give you a choice but it turns out it really wasn't a choice at all. That has happened to me a couple of times and it REALLY makes me mad. I have a bad attitude just thinking about it!
     
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    teaching~that stinks! I hate when you didn't really have a choice.

    I got my special ed certification to help me get a job easier. It's not something I want to stay in long time though.
     
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    Just curious...Why do you have to be the Special Ed teacher in the room? Why can't you be the Gen Ed teacher?
     
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    Just curious...In NY Special Ed and General Ed are on seperate tenure tracks, so you would have to start at step one again and give up your tenure if you switched

    ...do you have seperate tenure tracks where you are?
     
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    This is one of the big problems with our schools today. This is terrible. I am sorry you are in this situation.
     
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    :hugs: Sorry tn2!
     
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    I am not sure about the OPs state but in Florida one has absolutely nothing to do with the other as far as pay or 'tenure' goes.
     
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    I guess that would be good in the case that you wanted a switch because you wouldn't have to worry about a big decrease in pay. On the other hand, the school could not ask us to switch subject areas.
     
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    I am going to be the special ed teacher because they are trying to use what teacher points they have. So I guess it's a way to lose a teacher from another grade level that won't have enough students for the number of teachers that they have right now. Plus the reason they want me to stay in is because I know the curriculum so well. At least thats what they keep telling me. The teacher with whom I'll be working (from rumor mill) is apparently stuck in a rut in her grade level. From what it sounds like... they're just doing a big shake up. I hate this because last night was the first night since I was a kid that I cried myself to sleep. It was horrible. I've cried talking to people this morning too. I so wanted Kinder :(
     
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    Can anyone direct me to any links or other resources for special ed? I really don't know any guidelines, laws, or strategies other than what I use in a gen. ed. setting. Thank you everyone for your support!
     
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    I'm so sorry that they are doing this to you. It truly will be a disservice to the school. But if what they say about this other teacher is true, it might be the best thing for the students....
     

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