Wow. Just...wow.

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  1. mollydoll

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    I signed my contract today, and at the session there were 4 other people. Two of them were girls who looked 17, both wearing flip flops, shorts/ratty denim tiny skirt, tank tops with bra straps hanging out, and one was chewing gum.

    I wasn't dressed up or anything--I had bare legs and sandals, but I wouldn't have been embarrassed to run into anyone from an old boyfriend to the school principal (or the head of HR).

    The gum chewing is what really blew my mind. Who hires these people? Did these girls really manage to present a polished, professional appearance and demeanor at interviews? Why would you go to HR for your paperwork in rubber flip flops, chewing gum? :dizzy:

    Districts around here don't worry about cost of a new hire; there is no budgetary reason to hire brand new teachers. So, these girls (really, hard to think of them as women) were hired for a specific reason as the best candidates.
     
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    That boggles the mind... I can't even imagine going in to HR without looking less than 100% professional...
     
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    Molly...congrats on the contract.

    And next time say... "I know of a teacher by the name of McKenna who wouldn't be a fashion embarassment, doesn't chew/pop gum, AND she's available. Think about it!"

    ;)
     
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    I DID think of you and the others who can't find jobs yet. I was mad on your behalf.
     
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    Oh. Haha. Remember I posted worried about shoes? Don't I feel silly now.
     
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    you know, McKenna, you did come to mind when I read this thread! Gee; what's this world coming to? :confused:

    Congrats to Molly. :)
     
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    I just read a story about a teacher who was charged with child pornography a few days ago. All I could think about was the qualified teachers (myself included!) desperately looking for a job right now. Here are these morons, who do not deserve to be teachers, and somehow they got the job, and we're still looking. How in the world is that possible?!
     
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    It's stories like these that make teachers struggling to find a job angry.

    Last year, when I was visiting my district's HR office to ask about employment opportunities, a girl came in looking sloppy as can be. She was a new hire who relocated for this job and came in to HR because she left all of her paperwork at her parents' house-- can she get new copies? Oh, and she also couldn't find her Statement of Eligibility. (As one with a Master's degree and a valid teaching license, I wanted to throw a chair at her.)
     
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    Hey are you in S. Fl? I kid you not, those girls wear tank tops to school and shorts...TO TEACH! And when they do dress up they show so much cleavage! I imagine my son (and other sons) got an eye full during the school day! I'm talking elem through hs
     
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    I don't know, I don't think these girls are so horrible. Even though I'm much older than them, I wear flip flops in the summer, unless I'm at some professional conference. If I had an errand to run that included a stop at HR, I wouldn't change my shoes. I also don't think it's that big a deal to chew gum while you sign some papers, if you're not smacking and blowing bubbles. I think it's more important to dress up when you're at school, in front of students and parents. Our districts are so big, that HR doesn't know you by name (unless you've been in the district a while and have made news), nor do they probably care on days like today. They just care about getting all the new hires processed and filling any last minute positions.

    At orientation classes or professional development, where you stay there a long time and work with people, that's when you have to start dressing appropriately for the office.

    I'm not trying to offend or anything, but I just don't think the name-calling, comparisons to child pornographers, and saying that they don't deserve to be teachers because they wore flip flops and chewed gum is really fair. They could turn out to be excellent teachers, for all we know.
     
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    Sorry, but I don't think this is a big deal. The women weren't at an interview, and they weren't at work. It was just a day off and they were finishing up some paper work for HR.

    For all you know, they could have years of experience in education, excellent grades in college and did fantastic in their interviews. I wouldn't judge too much on their appearance.

    And if it were a MAN who came in wearing a take top, this thread never would have been started.
     
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    I ran into HR last spring to sign a few papers and I was wearing a tank top and capris with flip flops. I doubt my hair was that great either. Honestly though? I wasn't comfortable going in like that, but I have worked there before and just needed to sign and leave. I would not go if I was planning on staying for any longer or had to talk to anyone!

    If you're new, you should step it up a notch. You just never know.
     
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    i dont think its awful to go in like that but i do think that as a new hire you should be looking to impress at every opportunity. that dosnt mean dressing up but at least looking presentable. i doubt this thread would have been made if the girls didnt look very out of place.
     
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    If they were already hired and were there to pick up some paper work or sign something, then I don't really see the big deal. If they were wearing that for an inteview, then I can see where that becomes a big deal.
     
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    You never know who you're going to meet or who is going to see you...not to say that you should be scared into wearing a suit all the time, but I think when it comes to your job, wearing a tank top with your bra straps showing, is a little concerning.
     
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    When going into any work place, you should make some effort. I live in humid Florida and wear some pretty short shorts but I would never dream of wearing that to a district office. You never know who you are going to meet. As far as the gum, that's more a personal thing. I know that I can't stand to hear gum smacking. I also tend to get the image in my mind of a bunch of cows chewing grass in a field.
     
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    That's just it: this was a mandatory, prearranged, 3 hour contract session in a group, with a tour of the HR/professional development areas. We also did photos and basic orientation--we met a lot of people, including some principals and teachers who happened to be in the building for other PD. This was not at all just a run-in and do some paperwork deal. I knew the girl was chewing gum because I heard her cracking it from across the (small) room.

    I just question what they are thinking, and am mystified that they would choose to present themselves like that. It just seemed very disrespectful to HR. I was not dressed up either, but I was not wearing dirty rubber flip flops and my bra straps weren't hanging out.

    The main point of my post was really to wonder how they manage to pull themselves together for interviews. I am giving them (and the principals) the benefit of the doubt. But the experience did make me feel old!
     
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    That is not fair. I most certainly would have had the same surprised reaction. It was a formal, half-day scheduled event with HR, so I really expected that people would take more care with how they presented themselves.

    It was mostly the rude gum-chewing that got me.
     
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    Molly, I agree that their dress was pretty unprofessional. I live in the hot CA valley. I went to an all day training a couple of weeks ago and we were ALL dressed very nicely, with nice tops, nice slacks/capris, and nice shoes/sandals.
     
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    I hate the gum chewing too. What's the point? To freshen your breath? Use a breath mint! I'll never understand it.
     
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    I'm sure for the 2 new teacher training days we have they will wear better stuff (they must have impressed during interviews).

    For the record, I was only wearing a lightweight knit skirt, an inch or so above the knee, a cami and a summer weight cardigan. And sandals. I wasn't sitting there in a suit, sneering at casually, but neatly dressed people!
     
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    :lol:

    I just had the funniest image in my head from reading that!
     
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    I wear flip flops a lot in the summer (and when I teach summer school), so I think that was ok. But I agree if it was a 3 hour arranged meeting, then I would have dressed a lot nicer than short skirts and tank tops. I'm only 24, but ever since I started student teaching I'm really aware of what I'm wearing-I don't want to look inappropriate. Now, I probably do look sloppy a lot (going around town, not at school or the district office), but I wouldn't wear a really short skirt or be hanging out of my shirt. I student taught junior high and high school choir so I couldn't go anywhere at that time without seeing someone I recognized!
     
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    I was in no way saying that someone who wears flip flops should be directly compared to a child pornographer. I believe if you are meeting with your employer, you should act and dress professionally. The story about the child pornographer was an add-on to the story already being told about the frustration of seeing people not act professionally get a teaching job.
     
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    I live in Texas, right on the coast where it is STEAMING - and there is no way I would wear something like that into HR, esp for a scheduled meeting. That is just disrespectful.

    Nice flip flops, capris, nice t shirt or short sleeve button up shirt is casual yet presentable.
     
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    This may rub some the wrong way but I believe that we are not just someone who teaches school, we are teachers and role models Teaching is not some "horse and pony show" but it is something you present everyday. You never know who is looking and you don't want them to have the wrong impression.
     
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    I think about that everytime I read about when a teacher gets in trouble.

     
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    Mollydoll, I completely agree with you. I got kind of dogged in an earlier thread about this same topic, but I don't care. If you are walking into a professional office for something regarding your job, you need to look professional. It shouldn't matter if you're just signing some papers or getting a grand tour.

    First, it's just an overall professional attitude that you should be dressed properly. But even that aside, you never fully know what you will be doing or who you will meet. Would you really want your ID badge to have a photo of you wearing a tank top with bra straps??? Or a man in a tank top with hairy shoulders? Ugh. The mind. It boggles.
     
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    this is a funny topic because I was walking my dog past my district's admin building on the day of new teacher training and happened to see a pretty young teacher walking in chewing gum, wearing flip flops, and wearing a trendy full length halter sundress. I commented to my husband that I couldn't believe a teacher would consider that professional dress for the event. She looked great but...I did make a judgement about her lack of professionalism.
     
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    I think that is the key right there. If we're making judgments, who else is making judgments?
     
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    I agree with you JuneBug.
     
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    I have to agree with Junebug, as a teacher we are all role models. You never know if that person in front of you in line is a parent of a potential student.:)
     
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    I think there is quite a bit of distance between showing up for orientation cracking gum, wearing grimy rubber flip flops and just going about our normal business around town. I am not about to get paranoid about who may or may not be with me in line when I am on the way home from the gym or similar. And in that case, I don't really care who I run into. If someone wants to judge my teaching abilities or lack thereof because of what I wear to the grocery store, they need a new hobby.
     

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