Would you trade your summer off for more pay?

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  1. UpperMidwest

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    I made this post in a comment in a post but I thought I would create a new thread because I am curious.

    If you could not get the whole amount of time off with your teaching job, and instead only got 2-3 weeks of vacation time a year, would you go into/continue teaching if you made 25% more to compensate for loss of time off?
     
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  3. Backroads

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    Maybe.

    But with even 25% more, I can't give a stronger answer. I know I would consider it. If it were a bigger raise, my yes answer is more likely.

    But I really like my summer break, and the 2-3 weeks isn't all that impressive, and I would be paying a lot in summer daycare

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    Ugh, maybe it's because I'm in the home stretch of the school year, but my mind increasingly says it would take a pretty big salary for me to trade summer vacation. Our school breaks are indeed one of the perks of the job. Plus, a lot of us find teaching fairly stressful (even in a good way)... would 2-3 weeks of vacation really cut it? Which I know sounds like I'm aiming for the traditional summer break vacation equivalent, but perhaps that itself answers the question...
     
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  4. Aces

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    Iunno that's a hard question to answer. I really like my summers off and everything else.
     
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    I'm retired now, but there is NO WAY I would have ever traded my summers off for more pay. Quality of life and time with my family have always been more important to me than money.
     
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    Nope. I would need a whole lot more money. I like my bunch but still I need my break.
     
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    Here's my response from the other thread:

    I only have 3 more years before I retire, so would probably stick it out because the extra salary would help to pad my nest-egg. If I was mid-career, I would have to consider it carefully; with the current workload expectations, I need more time away from the classroom than that.
     
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    HE** NO!!!!!!!
     
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    I need my summer. I don't mind giving up 2 weeks for pay, and I do that every summer (1-2 weeks), but I still have 6 weeks left. I need that.
     
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    Will you still get that as an admin? Our admin work year round.
     
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    We get like 2 1/2 months off. I could comfortably give up 1 of those months for more pay, and often do when I teach summer school. I think a full month ends up being more than enough for me to recuperate.
     
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    There's a period I won't have work kinda in the middle of the summer break. It's like 2/3 weeks after the end of the year and is 3/4 weeks long. Then it's back to work before the start of the school year. Which I'm not exactly sure what all that involves. I'm assuming things like getting the building set up, paperwork, etc. I was told I'll get the 411 on that well.... On the job training.
     
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    But of course I'll still need to be reachable/emails/etc.
     
  14. whizkid

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    50% raise, yes. 25%, nah.
     
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    One of the main reasons I went into teaching was to have Christmas break and summer break. If I didn't get that, I'd leave the profession. I could work somewhere else for a lot more than 25% more, with 5-6 weeks of leave per year. Vacation that I can take any time of the year and work that ended when I walked out of the door.
     
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    Agreed.

    If I was making normal pay for a year round, typical schedule job, I'd choose a different job. Maybe I'd try to be a park ranger at a state or national park, or a librarian, or a store manager in retail. Maybe I'd go into publishing. If the money was equal across the board, I'd choose something less stressful but still impactful, or I'd choose something that made good enough money that the stress was semi worth it.
     
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    We usually only get 6 weeks in summer. Then we get a week in October, a week or two in December, and sometimes a week in April if we haven’t missed for snow.

    I’d need a decent chunk of money to continue. Teaching is too mentally exhausting.
     
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    I would do 9-10 weeks on and 2-3 weeks off year round.
     
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    I would totally get rid of the long summer break for 25% more pay. As I posted in the other thread, I tend to get bored with the long summer anyway. However, I would not want to give up all of the other breaks. We get a week at Thanksgiving, two weeks at Christmas, and a week at spring break. If I were getting all of those plus 2 weeks at summer, I'd definitely take the higher pay. If we were talking 2 weeks total vacation for the entire year, including all holidays, no way.
     
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    My general impression is that principals tend to make about 50% more than the average teacher. But they do not have the entire summer off, and have to go to certain sporting events and other school sponsored events.
     
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    I would prefer staggered breaks throughout the year.
     
  22. Doug_HSTeach_07

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    Ditto on the staggered breaks throughout the year! What is preventing this from occurring and becoming a reality for our schools? Seems like it would make much more sense and help prevent the "summer slide."
     
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    My school already is year-round, and I like it just fine. We do get longer breaks, and our students are able to retain their learning without a six-week gap.
     
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    No, absolutely not. I don’t want a year-round staggered year. I entered the teaching profession so that I can make great money AND have lots of time off at certain instances throughout the year.

    I love having a 2.5-month summer as I have tons of time to go on vacations and actually enjoy myself. I love getting 1.5 weeks off for my Easter Break in April, which is a nice reprieve right before the summer. I love getting 1.5 weeks off for Thanksgiving followed by 2.5 weeks off for Christmas Break in the following months. I love getting 4-5 shortened weeks in concert with federal holidays so that my colleagues and I have three-day and four-day weekends. And now as an administrator who still teaches part-time, I love that I can still enjoy my lengthy summer but stay on administrative pay (woot woot!).

    I wouldn’t give up my summer break for anything and neither would my colleagues. It’s the primary time that we have to enjoy with our friends and family and do things without having to worry about work-related tasks. Plus, I am already satisfied with what I will make next year ($85,000 admin pay and $50,000 tutoring) and am NOT going to ever advocate to give that up.
     
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    This year teachers worked 172 days. That leaves 88 week days left. If we were to go down to only 15 work days off, that's taking away 73 vacation days. That's more than 25%. So I would need approximately 42% more pay. Also, we have incredibly long school days specifically to have more breaks. Families would rebel if we made our school year longer.
     
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    My cousins attended school growing up in a year-round district, and I always thought it sounded great. Sadly, when I interviewed with that district (wound up taking a job in another district) they had cut down the number of schools on the year round schedule.

    I'm distractable enough that such a set-up would have been appealing.
     
  27. Backroads

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    Dude! When did that happen? Did I miss a post? Congrats.
     
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    In all truthful opinion, I would not could not be an administrator. Especially having been in a toxic school. Especially with awareness even the seemingly best schools still have a lot of issues in the faculty and student body.

    And add to that all the extra stuff...

    I honestly have no issue saying that part of the reason I went into teaching was the breaks (and I don't think teachers should be chided for that).
     
  29. Aces

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    This is basically where I'd be at. Like I stated in my follow up post to the question asked I'll have a couple weeks off where I wouldn't need to report to work but I'd still need to be reachable. The admin t team tries to attend all sporting events. Plus if there's concerts or things of that nature in order to support students. Which is fine, I go to concerts/sporting events anyways. Except now I'll actually get the pay that compensates for that.

    Then of course there's the things that are required from a district level. Such as attending the high school's homecoming football game just as a show of support. Which I'll probably try to go to at least a couple football games for the high school anyways as we'll have 8th graders in both the marching band and cheer squad. Not even as a show of force like if you don't behave you're e gonna get in trouble. Not that at all. But as a genuine I want you to succeed at this activity. I'm not at all worried about any of our 8th graders participating in those high school activities.
     
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    Yep, just recently! Thank you for your congratulations and I am super excited for next year, too. My new position is titled Dean for Academic Affairs and I will also be the acting STEM director (I’ve been told I’ve been doing the latter unofficially anyway). It’s my dream job and I was almost brought to tears when I was informed that I got the position because I’m still working on getting my administrative credential — they said I’m overqualified based on my past performance and so I was blown away.
     
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    Yes. In fact I’m doing that right now for exactly that amount more, although I will have much more earning potential after a few years and I’ll still have vacation and holidays off. An opportunity fell into my lap that I can’t pass up!
    I generally get bored after a few weeks off in the summer, and even though the break is much needed due to the stress of our jobs, I really don’t need all that time off. And now I just don’t have the money to travel and do many exciting things over the break especially where I live with high COL, and with the new job I will. The only thing I’ll miss is spending significant time with my family, but I’m looking at moving closer to them one day.
     
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    Nope.
     
  34. ms.irene

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    Félicitations! May I ask what the new opportunity is?
     
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    Don’t leave us hanging, haha! Wha is the new position and how much more will you be making? What is the total salary compensation package?
     
  36. jadorelafrance

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    It’s with the federal government. Upper five figures depending on location. If you want more info, feel free to pm me.
     
  37. futuremathsprof

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    I lack the ability to send PM’s for some reason. Could you PM, please? :)
     
  38. readingrules12

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    Currently my answer would be "no". I'd consider it a very bad trade. Over 25 years ago when I started teaching and I was struggling to make ends meet, my answer would have been "yes". I would have jumped at the chance to pay back some loans and get money to pay some bills. Financially, the first couple of years as a teacher were brutal.

    Going into teaching if I knew there would be less breaks in order to get more money, I would be less likely to have gone and stayed in teaching. A few years killing myself to make extra money would be okay, but I wouldn't want to do that for 30+ years.
     
  39. runsw/scissors

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    I find teaching to be very stressful. I love my job, and I love my kids. But even on the best day I am mentally exhausted. Between changing expectations and standards, changing curriculums, changing behaviors and behavior management systems not to mention just trying to keep up with everything it's a lot. I've started to wonder if some sort of longer school year with longer and more staggered breaks is the way to go. We are just coming off state testing season here and starting end of the year assessments. I REALLY wish we had a break, even a long weekend, at the end of April or early May to rest and refresh our brains. I don't know if a 25% raise would be enough to entice me to give up my summer breaks. They go so fast as it is.
     
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    I'd love to hear about this as well!
     
  41. swansong1

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    I'd love to hear about the new job but I'm not interested in the financial part. That's private info for only you.
     

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