Would you judge a district by the way they treat their subs?

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  1. TeacherCuriousExplore

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    Hello everyone! I recently went to substitute training to get accustomed to the public school setting and preparation for teaching in a public school classroom. I enjoyed the training! There were so many subs who are on the same path as me and the admins are great! They are professional yet welcoming.
    I thought that maybe the subs wouldn't be treated respectfully because we are temporary teachers. However, this district made subs feel so important. I can imagine how they make their teachers and paras feel
     
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    It isn't how the district treats their subs that gets all of the complaints. It is how the students tend to treat the subs. Also, your real evaluation on what kind of a job you did comes from the teacher you subbed for, and whether they would ever allow you back in their room. If in doubt, find some of the threads in the forum where teachers really say what they think about the subs they are getting. That is who you need to please.
     
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    They explained this to us in the training. They also told us to leave a note for the teacher at the end of the day. I am overjoyed. I do know much about classroom teaching from teaching GA Prek and VPK. One thing I despised as a classroom teacher was someone bothering with the arrangement of my class or not putting things back. I will be sure not to do that to the teachers I sub for. That is a pet peeve for sure
     
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    Also, stay busy, don't raid their snacks, no matter how little lunch you get, smile as your lunch becomes recess duty instead, etc.
     
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    Thanks for the tips! I am planning on becoming a certified teacher this year and will start job hunting next school year.
     
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    I am a firm believer in treating my entire staff the same way: from teachers down to yard duty & cafeteria helpers. A lot of our support staff members are sometimes unsung heroes.
     
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    This always speaks volumes to me. I try to do the same, although I'm only a teacher. I love our janitors, secretaries, etc... just as much as our fellow teachers and admins. I look for admins who feel the same way!
     
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    NO! Some urban districts are overwhelmed and understaffed, and can't always be there 100 percent for subs! But we sure do appreciate you even though we don't always show it.
     
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    I've been long term subbing. My last school treated me like a real teacher. I loved that school and the principal. She raved about me to another principal, so that principal asked me to long term sub at her school this school year (so that's what I'm doing), however, this principal never fails to remind me I'm "just a sub", like when I asked if I get prep time (I don't). It really made me appreciate the first principal, who knows everything, and she said I'm always welcome to come back to her school and she'll always find a job for me. She actually did ask me to come back this school year, but I wanted to try a different grade, which is why I accepted the second P's offer.
    So it's not really the district, it's definitely the principal and the school.
     
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    This is really interesting to me. Our subs, whether daily or long term, must have the same schedule as the teacher they are replacing, including prep time and supervision duties.
     
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    That's what Principal 1 told me. Long term subs = regular teachers, just without the same salary & benefits.
    Principal 2 doesn't seem to think so, and didn't even put me into Aesop for the first 2 work days because "students weren't there" even though I was required to be there.. AND she put me on the dismissal duty schedule like all the other teachers, except I don't get prep time.. So I've been coming in an hour early every morning and skipping my lunch
     
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    Are you being hired and paid by the district, or a substitute agency? I always found that districts who hire and pay directly are more likely to have subs follow the teachers schedule.
     
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    It's through the district. But it seems each principal has their own idea of what long term subs are supposed to be doing :rolleyes::mad:
     
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    In my district, long-term subs receive pay like a teacher but it depends on their level under Georgia Profesional Standard Committee
     
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    Our district pays LTSubs the same as a first year / Step One teacher, but it's daily instead of salary. I'm fine with this, because it's more than my last job teaching fulltime, I don't need the benefits, and I'm not stuck in a contract! BUT it would be nice if all principals/schools had an agreement on the responsibilities and duties of LTS! :rolleyes:
     
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    I can understand if a daily sub doesn't get prep time because what do they really need to prep for, but a long term sub should definitely get that time. That's how it is here. The daily subs usually get 2 periods out of 9 off (so they get 1 prep and 1 lunch), whereas teachers/long-term subs get 3 (2 preps and 1 lunch). The daily subs are usually used for extra coverage.during the 2nd prep time.
     
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    Some interesting comments about subs and prep time. I've been a long term sub twice. I had to work longer hours than any other teacher in the school. The cleaning people could attest to it. I got to know all of them personally. I once had a secretary tell me I don't get a prep period since I was a sub. I told her since I was a sub, I didn't have to come back to that school. I have had days when I lucked out because I had a prep period early in the day. I have had to get copies made because the teacher didn't have time. I understand many schools are short on subs almost everyday and teachers have to cover, so I'm fine with doing my share. Just don't try to take advantage of me.
     
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    WELL, I found out recently that long term subs are definitely supposed to get prep time because we're taking the place of a full-time certified teacher. They said they'd inform my principal, but it's been a week and still no prep time so .. should I wait? Go to P myself? I don't want her to think I "tattled" so I don't know
     
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    You don’t have to tattle, but maybe try emailing your P, “As a LTS, will I have a prep period? I might have misheard what was told to me and so I wanted to clarify. Thank you and I look forward to your response.”
     
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    When I asked her before the start of school, she told me, "no, you're a sub and subs don't get prep", that's why I looked into it
     
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    I wonder why the P lied to you, then. Hm.
     
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    Are you being pulled to cover another class during your normal prep period? If so, is this occurring every day?

    I have one district where the principal has said they typically have three subs to cover for as many as seven teachers who are out. I expect to get pulled at that school. At other schools, I expect to be pulled to cover once in awhile during my prep period.
     
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    I think the higher-ups informed her because just today, my P emailed me to make sure I'm fitting prep time and a lunch break into my schedule, but made it sound like I should already know this.
    I have not been covering for other teachers, I've just been working straight all day.
    I think she didn't want to admit she was wrong and was "reminding" me I get prep even though a month ago, she had told me I don't get prep :rolleyes:
     
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    A principal should know that already. Good grief.
     
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    Long term subs here are just warm-bodied babysitters who are expected to do no more than keep everyone alive and pass out worksheets.
     
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    That's awesome. :) What's sad is that I wasn't treated very well by some of the teachers I worked with as a playground supervisor/ cafeteria helper. But now that I'm a substitute in another district, I seem to be treated better.
     
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    I think all staff members play an integral role in a school and it would not properly function without everyone working together as a cohesive whole. Besides the other math teachers, some of my best friends at my workplace are the office administrative staff and the IT guys. It’s fun getting to know everyone and not just my teaching colleagues. I just bought them all $30 Starbucks gift cards because they have seemed frazzled lately and let’s face it, who doesn’t like Starbucks?!

    That’s too bad that subs are under appreciated. Without them, the ones they sub for would be tough out of luck and could not take any days off. SMH.
     
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    recess duty is recess duty...but it is against the labor law to assign any duty to a scheduled lunch time. if a school is doing that, they are doing it in violation of the law.
     
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    Yeah, I'm pretty sure they can take all of your prep periods away but they need to give you at least one free period for lunch. If someone volunteers, that's great, but they shouldn't force a sub to have no breaks during the whole day.
     
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    That is illegal. You can't be assigned recess duty in lieu of lunch, it is against federal law.
     
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    That’s true for hourly subs or support staff, but salaried teachers can lose their lunch any day (unless otherwise stated in a contract).
     
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    In your district, do teachers often miss out on their lunch break? Our teachers get a 50 minute duty free lunch. Occasionally, a SST or IEP will run late and interfere with their lunch time. They have the option of leaving the meeting (and taking their regularly scheduled 50 minute lunch) or starting their 50 minutes at the end of the meeting (which means we have to find 50 min of afternoon coverage for them).
     
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    I wouldn't say that it happens often, but it happens from time to time. It's not usually the entire lunch, but it could be about half of it. We get 40 minutes for lunch in our schedule, but we're always told that we're only entitled to 30 minutes. Even still, if coverage is needed for a lunch duty or recess duty, we may only get 20 minutes for lunch so that we can help with coverage for the other 20 minutes. We have paras, instructional coaches, and specialists who regularly do the lunch and recess duties, but if one of them is out that day or something comes up, then a classroom teacher is asked to help with the covering the duty. We don't get any extra pay or time later.
     
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    Best of wishes to you in your path. I love our subs because almost everyone of them does the job out of the kindness of their hearts. They don't need the $. Even if they did need the $$, or were doing it to try to get hired, I still appreciate them greatly.
    Subs are hard to come by where I live!
     
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    I only short-term subbed with a BA degree before going back to college to get my teaching license. I subbed at a few districts over the 10 years I did it. Subbing was a great way to learn about the culture of a school.

    There were schools I loved to work at and schools I avoided. I also got to hear about other local school districts from other subs. I heard a couple subs complain about one district that was only about 20 minutes down the road. I was getting enough work at my usual districts, so I didn't get on their sub list. Well, when I was doing my field practicum for college, I was placed at the district I heard negative things about and sure enough it was not a good match.

    I finish student teaching in a few weeks, and I hope to get on all the local school districts' sub lists, so I can check them out before applying for jobs this Spring. I think subbing is a great way to interview schools.
     
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