Discussion in 'Fourth Grade' started by Missc89, Aug 27, 2017.
Aug 28, 2017
Wouldn't the manager say that was in their job description? If the manager started asking the accountant for marketing to start scrubbing toilets, would they not be entitled to ask why?
It seems to me that your position is students are subservient to teachers and that a manager can tell anyone beneath them to do anything they want because they too are subservient.
If a teacher asks a student to find the area of a rectangle and the student asked why they are being asked to do it, what would you say to them?
In what way?
we are not allowed to withhold restroom privileges from students without a very good reason. We can ask them to wait a moment until a convenient time, but we cannot withhold restroom or water. They are considered to be vital for living.
So address the insubordination. Don't squash their rights to question things, especially authority.
I mean, honestly, it sounds like you're advocating for a society full of deltas and epsilons. That's not something that any of us should want.
Agreed but have no idea what deltas and epsilons are so I reserve the right to change my mind lol.
Got it, thanks for the Lit lesson.
Actually this happens all of the time on many jobs. I also know people who are commissioned sales people who are asked to work on the dock unloading at department stores even though their commissions pay their base salary and they need to be on the sales floor. I also know teachers at various schools who are told to work in the summer when they are not on contract hours. If they don't question, there is no chance to say no.
And what status will that be? Do you really have a crystal ball for all of them?
That sounds like an accepted and agreed upon part of the job then. They can choose to do it or choose to leave. Sort of like an abusive relationship. Choose to stay and accept, or choose to leave. (Before someone attacks me, it's clearly an analogy, don't be so sensitive).
Yeah, but not really.
A coworker of mine returned from maternity leave and needed a place to pump. Her classroom was used by another teacher during her prep, so she had to find another spot. Her supervising administrator told her to pump in the staff bathroom, which is actually a violation of federal law. For my coworker, it wasn't an option to simply leave her job because her supervisor told her to do something that she shouldn't have had to do. Instead, she questioned the supervisor and shared with her information about the law allowing her to have access to a private, secure space other than a bathroom for the purposes of pumping. The act of questioning and the conversation that ensued are what caused the supervisor to backtrack and allow my coworker an opportunity to access one of her federally-held rights as a nursing person.
Like my coworker, there are others who are asked to do something outside the parameters of their job description, sometimes well beyond what could reasonably be expected by anyone in such a position. Sometimes these issues become legal matters, but very often they skirt the legal line and could possibly contribute to a hostile work environment or something like it.
The assertion was that no one would ask an employee to do something on their legal break. My response was to that assertion. It does happen all of the time. It is abusive and in the case of forcing someone to do something on break is illegal. The answer isn't always to suck it up and deal with the illegal behavior. Sometimes it is to stand up for yourself as Caesar described.
Aug 29, 2017
I'm finding the workplace versus 4th grade bathroom mgt conversation hard to follow? I'm really not seeing the connection.
They were saying we need to prepare them for what they'll experience in the workforce where apparently we need to create people who follow instructions without question.
Saw this on twitter today.
Things you should never say to students:
People in the workplace generally can pee wIthout standing in a line and having their line behavior evaluated....and they aren't 9.
Jan 22, 2018
I would have handled that completely different.
Instead of taking away a basic human need, separate the students in the line.