Discussion in 'Debate & Marathon Threads Archive' started by Rabbitt, Feb 16, 2011.
Feb 16, 2011
Madison Schools were closed today because so many teachers were rallying.
Good for them! :thumb:
Feb 17, 2011
...and again today. WOW!
What are they rallying against?
YES YES YES! RACINE PUBLIC SCHOOLS WENT TOO! SO DID FOUR OTHER SCHOOLS!
A bill that would effectively end collective bargaining for most public employees in the state of Wisconsin...except the fire and police unions, and state patrol.
Rally on Wisconsin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is curious to me as to why cops & fire are being exempted from this so called assault?
I'm not sure why, but I wonder if it's because they know it would never pass if they did include them. Teachers are an easy target because we have a bad reputation of having "cushy" jobs and working only 9 months out of the year rolleyes.
I'm originally from Wisconsin, so I have a lot of Wisconsin connections on Facebook. It's so disheartening to read status updates about how teachers are so whiny and how the teachers are setting bad examples by not showing up for work. I think they are setting good examples to students by showing them that they should always fight for what they believe in.
Ohio's doing the same thing right now.
Well, they say it's because they are "essential" public employees. But, it's very interesting that those are the unions that supported Walker in the election...
ETA: Those unions have been joining in the protests at the Capitol in support of the targeted unions.
Another interesting side note, the WI Speaker of the Assembly and the WI Senate Majority Leader are brothers and their father was just named Superintendent of the State Patrol.
So is Indiana - trying to take away collective bargining, reducing the requirements to become a teacher, giving principals the authority to renew licenses, giving our state super the ability to revoke licenses without due process, allowing more charter schools with a requirement that NO more than 51% of the staff have teaching licenses, and too many more to list . . . .
I have so chosen the wrong field. This is terrifying. I'm in Alabama and you know things are always worse here once AL decides to copy other states, they do it way harsher. I have no clue what the future holds for me and my family. Only God can get me through this...
In all my years of teaching, I have NEVER taken a professional day to lobby, ever. Before, I never felt I could justify in my head, leaving my classes with a sub to lobby and I have been a building rep, and served on my local union board. For the first time in my teaching career, I am leaving my classes for one day to go and lobby. I am truly scared. My state congress seems to be trying to ruin my profession that I LOVE so dearly.
Long Island had a big rally tonight, after school hours though...they had a huge turnout.
I didn't realize how many states are going through this, it is scary.
Feb 18, 2011
Indiana had a huge rally AFTER SCHOOL HOURS - 5pm. The newspapers, our congressmen/women villified us in the newspapers for the rally and leaving our classrooms questioning our dedication to our students. They all knew the rally started at 5pm!!! It was all over the news, every major paper and the comments from the public was of course bad since they believed what the papers reported. Our union had to take out an ad to set the record straight. This is when I knew I had to do something.
Some food for thought:
Yea Wisconsin! I briefly caught what was going on up there in the news. Very disheartening!!!
*putting Indiana on the list to not teach in....* lol that's insane.
I went to a local rally on Wednesday, and it brought tears to my eyes. Everyone was very emotional. I really wish I could to go Madison tomorrow, but I work at my 2nd job all day.
THE RACE TO THE BOTTOM! instead of fighting for better benefits for all, people want to strip them away from everybody else.
It's amazing how no matter what, teachers always get attacked! enough is enough! And no surprise they excluded the police etc from this bill. looks like the governor got a bit too scared, or didn't want to offend one of his buddies at the top.
I am not a democrat, in fact I'm a closer to a republican (even though I do view myself as an independent), but these "capitalist" republicans are getting annoying! it's always about the private sector and what they have, but the private sector is ripping off the american people! forget about moral capitalism, it's all been about a free for all for the top. and on the flipside, it is time for Democrats to learn some fiscal responsibility and stop wasting money all the time!
Feb 19, 2011
They supported him in the election. Many say they cut a deal. However...they are there and rallying as well.
Why are they exempt...
IMO it's a combo of the above and because those professions are mainly male and thus still considered the main source of income for families. Teachers are mainly female and considered second sources of income.
Although I find it dicriminating to exempt some, I do not want them included in this fix it bill.
Gov Walker's fix it bill adds public employees paying part of health ins and pensions. that will hurt but it's not the main reason for the rally.
They are rallying because he's trying to talk away union rights to bargain.
Pay raises would be cost of living but capped at 1.5% and pay reduced if cost of living goes down.
no steps or lane changes on a salary scale...so no credit for education
can fire you at any time for no reason
cannot take union dues
work day does not include prep time
There's more but I think you get the idea!
This is nonsense. If this passes and other states adopt this same bill, or thinking, I encourage anyone who is thinking about going into education to not go into it. Let them double think the importance of teachers when they don't have any. Disgusting. As much as I get annoyed with my low pay at my current school, I would much rather put up with it than go back to the states where I am not respected. Teachers are very respected here. And, when something happens, it's not the teachers fault. Students are held responsible. I am very, very sorry for all of you who are having to deal with this. It's horrible.
My state, Indiana, is voting on bills very similar to these right now. Our gov'r seems determined to privatize education. He wants to lower requirements to enter the teaching profession but make difficult for those traditionally licensed teachers to keep and maintain licenses. His charter school bill would only allow 51% of the teachers on staff at charter schools to be licensed teachers!! As you said Rabbit, I could go on and on
And this is why TamiJ for the first time in my teaching career, I am taking a PD to go and lobby my elected officials. I am very scared about the direction my state government is taking education. I hate the way my state government is villifing my profession that I love so very dearly. And I am scared for the children of the state of Indiana if all these bills pass.
Feb 20, 2011
I went Saturday. I was happy to see the peacefulness.
Feb 22, 2011
Do teachers that lie about being sick.......... that is call in "sick" (when they are not) ..... then go to protest rallies get paid for that day? Just curious......
Many teachers receive PTO days without a reason instead of sick days. One district nearby has 10 of them. So, they technically aren't calling in sick.
However, many teachers have been calling in sick when they aren't. This has really backfired IMO. So many people are now supporting Walker because they're ticked that districts are closing, due to too many teachers calling in.
I think it's justified. This whole thing makes ME sick.
Also I think so many call out that they have to close school - so it is probably like a snow day they would have to make up. So they aren't getting paid for a day to rally.
Silver, I was going to say the same thing. I would be sick. I'm a little disappointed an educator would find fault with this all things considered.
I don't know what PTO days means.... but if a teacher calls in "sick" and isn't really "sick" ..... well that's another matter ...... especially if the "sick.... (but not really "sick") .......... teacher ends up protesting. If the school doesn't shut down the school has to pay for a substitute teacher to replace the "not really sick" teacher. If enough teachers call in sick........ when they are really not....... then the school shuts down and the kids miss a day or two or three of school....
Hey guys these are just my thoughts as a part time teacher and a big time tax payer...
I'll play devil's advocate here...what would you suggest that teachers do in order to try to make a difference?
Many schools have been closed in our area because there are not enough teachers going to work. It's a mess for everyone, including the kids who are sitting at home. My husband works for the =school district here.
PTO = Paid Time Off
Many employers provide a certain number of days or hours of PTO. It's used for sickness, vacations, whatever.
Maybe start with the realization that the Wisconsin kitty (and a lot of other states) is not only broke, but is filled with IOU's from decades of bad decisions .... Major concessions will have to be made by lots of folks... We can't continue to spend money that doesn't exist....
Calling in "sick" when you are not really sick just goes against my personal values........ Yes, I know this sounds crazy and old fashioned and a lot of other things...... but that's me.
to you swansong1........
It's not only money on the line here, Major. Some of the ideas are just outright crazy, in my opinion.
I've called in sick when I was sick to my stomach at the thought of walking into the building and dealing with the crap I sometimes have to deal with. I felt exactly this much guilt:
No subs were called in to our schools because there wouldn't be enough subs to cover that many teachers. Schools shut down for several days and the kids missed out.
NJ teachers and other public employees will rally in our capital in Trenton on Friday.
Has WI seen layoffs? I'm curious as to the steps the teachers in that state have had to endure before this bombshell from TPTB? (Bear in mind that I'm from CA, which has seen huge layoffs to this point... with more potentially to come.)