Why are all administrators former English teachers?

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  1. kall

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    I've worked at four different high schools, and at each one the admin are all former English teachers. Anyone else notice this phenomenon?
     
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    My current P and AP are former ELA teachers, but before them, I've had administrators who came from Career Technology, History, Math, and Latin.
     
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    We have five administrators. They taught: English, Math, Social Studies, Math, and Computer Science/Business. It's a good diverse group, and they do their observations mostly in their own specialty.
     
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    Never had a former English teacher as an admin (obviously the English supervisor used to teach English, but I don't interact with her). My math supervisor was obviously a math teacher. The last two Ps we had taught math. The four VPs taught social studies, business, and phys ed, with the fourth being a former guidance counselor.
     
  6. Aces

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    I'm a science teacher about to be an admin.
     
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    Not here. Our former superintendent was a PE teacher, and several admins were science teachers.
     
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    I’ve never had one who was an English teacher.

    I’ve had three science teachers and two social studies teachers.
     
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    For those of you who have been following me, you know that I’ve been eyeing an administrative position for a while now. Well, I have received confirmation from my higher-ups (now fellow supervisors) that I have officially been promoted to administrator status and I am super excited. And I will still get to teach math part time (AP Calc BC and Calc 3); however, I’m definitely NOT an English teacher and never would I want to be. I’ve always been and will always be a math teacher.
     
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    Congrats!
     
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    If you’ve taken a statistics course, then you should know that when making an inference about a population from a sample that you cannot extrapolate beyond your data set. For example, say you collect many random samples of size n from Colorado high schools to determine the average SAT score for high school seniors. Assuming inference conditions are met (random, independent, and normal), then you can ONLY infer what the mean SAT for high school seniors is in the state of Colorado, NOT anywhere else.

    Personal experiences form too small of a sample size (as the sample size needs to be at most 10% of the population of interest) and so would not be representative of the population of all administrators. Also, as anecdotes are not representative they cannot be used to produce meaningful results from a statistical standpoint.
     
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    Thank you! I’m still in shock after hearing word that my application was accepted. :D

    I can’t wait to hear how much I will be making.
     
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    I was going to say what're you doing up so early but then I remembered teachers tend to be up at odd hours.... Anyways get ready for everything to get turned upside down!
     
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    I’m already mentally preparing myself for what the future may bring. I’m sure to be in for a bumpy ride, haha!
     
  15. Aces

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    That's the understatement of the year! But are you at least staying in the same school/district?
     
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    Yep, I still work at the same private school.
     
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    Aha okay. I think that's partly why mine is so hectic because I'm moving schools and districts. There's a lot of paperwork and general craziness between that.
     
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    Yeah, I don’t know how you do it. I’m a prominent figure in my school and I pretty much know the inner workings of the school and everyone in it already, so I essentially have a “home-court advantage.”
     
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    Haha sometimes you have to take the risk and go for it. And in the end this school is significantly closer to my house so that's a plus.
     
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    I worked at a district that seemed to favor PE teachers as admin. It was amazing to note how many, including the Superintendent, had been PE teachers. Doesn't make a difference if they do a good job, but simply curious by district, perhaps.
     
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    Congrats, but I can't imagine an administrator here teaching not only one, but TWO classes. You're being stretched too thin.
     
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    I have taught at four different secondary schools, and have had five different principals -- only one was a former English teacher. Three were Social Studies, one was RSP (I think?). Of our three APs at my current school, one was Social Studies, one was music, and one was kindergarten/high school guidance counselor.
     
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    My admins now is a former first grade teacher. The one before her was a special ed teacher. The one before that was a high school math teacher. The math teacher had no clue what an elementary classroom looked like or should sound like. She expected them to come in sit down and learn. Hello they were 5 doesn't work that way. We had a former band director as a principal both at middle and high school. Now he's an asst. super and well I think he's not effective leader in anyway shape or form.
     
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    My principal and I are both former elementary teachers.
     
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    Naw, I don’t feel I am. I’ve been doing a lot of those things already and now I’m getting recognized and paid for it handsomely!
     
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    My three favorite administrators have been science teachers.
     
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    We have the same, but opposite problems with admins who have elementary background working as admins in secondary schools...they have no clue about how to enforce discipline for the older kids. I feel like teaching the level you want to admin for should be a no-brainer prerequisite!
     
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  28. TeacherNY

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    Not in my experience.
     
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    I have a better question: Why do all administrators have >5 years teaching experience? (Okay, I'm being naughty.)
     
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    My favorite admin was also a science teacher. Chemistry to be exact. I miss her. Sigh.
     
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    I think this is a more of a generalization in a particular location. It seems to be a matter of coincidence and is not necessarily a sound conclusion. I have been to four different schools (all within my district) throughout the last 25 years. My administrator when I taught high school used to teach at the same college as me (he was an economics professor)---back in the mid-90s. My middle school admin was always an administrator. Elementary admin=used to be a special education teacher for a high school social studies class. She left the school a few years ago and is now a corrections officers. New elem admin=used to teach Art
     
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    I would certainly not say "all". My current admin taught art for 30 years. Most of this school district's administrators have had teaching experience for at least 10 years.
     
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    I've had several administrators, and WITHOUT A DOUBT, the ones who spent at least 10-15 years in the classroom before making the jump are more effective, and just generally more pleasant people to work for. In fact, the best supervisor I have ever had spent THIRTY years in the classroom before becoming an administrator. It makes you wonder about their motives when people try to get out of the classroom so quickly. I've been teaching for the past 6 years, and I've had some people encourage me to apply for a recent admin opening. I said NO WAY. I still love teaching, and I don't see the appeal of working in the central office. The only part of the job I would enjoy is observing other teachers, and seeing what cool things they are doing in their classrooms. The rest of the job just sounds like a typical, boring office position. The admin I've worked for that have had only 5 or 6 years of teaching experience have had trouble supporting teachers, and really had trouble gaining the respect of the staff. There may be exceptions to this, of course..
     
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    In order to even apply for the admin program here, teachers must have a minimum of 5 years teaching experience across multiple grade levels. Successful applicants to the program will likely also have Special Ed and/or ELL experience.
     
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