Where did all these new teachers come from?

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  1. McKennaL

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    I was at a substitute meeting (this morning) in this district that i would have given my right arm to work in full-time. This is the district where i have subbed in for two years (and ALSO taught in their summer school for three years). Each time i would get a subbing job or asked to teach summer school (and reasked and reasked) I was SURE that I was on an inside track. But if an opening was posted (and you KNOW I applied the DAY it opened up)I wasn't even CALLED for an interview.

    I have decided that this school is more of a user with teachers like me. We are good enough when they are desparate. Example: I was called to sub on a 30 degree below 0 (windchill) day when all other districts in the area were closed and while THEIR teachers wouldn't leave their homes. Or when they have a hole to fill (their teachers won't teach summer school). I guess, i'm good enough to teach THAT...just not good enough to teach REAL school.
    Therefore, i do believe that I won't be returning to this school this summer. I'll pack up my VERY VERY successful summer school class (which has attracted a number of kids who return for more year after year), and go somewhere where they let you "in" BECAUSE they believe in your abilities (and that BELIEF moves you ahead).

    So, I'm sitting at this meeting, and in comes the principal of the intermediate grades building (who also acted as the summer school principal). ---Deleted section because I thought better of what I was going to post here.---

    Anyway...I'm at this meeting and she comes in late to do her portion of the presentation. She announces, "Sorry. I was at a meeting for new teachers in our district. We have 12 brand new, first year teachers this year. How exciting!"

    What???????

    I saw openings for 2. Sure, maybe there were also postings for a few specialists (speech pathology or something like that), but 12???? I was there for two months through the summer. EVERYDAY (and checked their website daily). And I NEVER heard of more than 2 slots opened. Again these were not internal switching situations ...but NEW first year teachers.

    I'm sorry... I'm insulted!

    I mentioned to one of my references at the beginning of summer school (my reference is a woman that I conceived and co-taught this summer school course with. She is the rare in-district teacher who is also a regular teacher summer school staff member) that I was upset not being called at least for an interview for the one (at the time) opening. She said that the job was given to a woman who worked for the district previously...and was returing to work after a few years. (So THIS one opening-out of the two that I saw ALL summer long was not even one of the 12 that were hired!!!)

    I guess, in it's simplest form, my arguement stands as... it's as if I am your regular daycare provider. But when you and your husband are going away for a vacation...in planning who will watch the kids... you don't even CONSIDER me over total strangers who simply send you a letter of interest. This IS insulting.

    12 new teachers....huh.
     
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  3. Padfoot103

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    That's very frustrating and weird that he would even mention the new teachers at a meeting for substitutes. I'm sure you were not the only substitute in the room who tried applying for a regular full-time position. I don't know, it just seems like a slap in the face to tell you guys that.

    Well, good luck with whatever you do, it just wasnt' meant to be!
     
  4. tarkle21

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    I would definitely consider using your time and energy at another school. If two years and summer school don't do the trick, they're not worth it. This is really low of them. I don't think all of them would be in the boat of returning after a couple years' leave, so yeah, they don't deserve to have you to work to their advantage.

    :hugs:
     
  5. JBteach

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    You have every right to feel that way, but something great will come your way when it is supposed to. It will happen for you!!!
     
  6. BerniceBobs

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    12 new teachers and the principal has the unmitigated gall to announce that to you all as if you would be HAPPY about it?
    I really do think these type of adminstrators live in their own little let-them-eat-cake world.
    I know what you mean. I have recently attended two back-to-school nights and both principals announced that they had hired many new teachers. Like you, I search their websites daily and never once saw an opening.
     
  7. BerniceBobs

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    McKenna:

    Could you possibly ask the principal why she didn't consider you for one of those positions? I mean, really, at this point what do you have left to lose with this district? Ask.
     
  8. McKennaL

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    I look at what i wrote... i am sure SOME might think... you can't get a job because you can't SPELL!

    I CAN spell. I SWEAR! I just type so fast...and just let it fly. I don't proof-read as well as I should around friends (and ESPECIALLY when I am upset or passionate)! Thanks for your tolerance! (I swear, I'm not an idiot!...going back to proof-read that mess!)
     
  9. McKennaL

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    Someone mentioned other teachers in the room as well.

    This room was filled with MANY subs who were returning...and many who raised their hands as parents/previous parents/future parents in the district. In as such-I'm not sure if they were active job seekers .. or in the case of some... wealthy people with time on their hands. (This is a VERY well to do area. You feel underdressed standing in a group here...ALWAYS. Even if you are wearing flats, capris, and summer tops as well...they just...wear it better. *Sigh*)

    But I DID see a few others from the summer school staff there. Though we didn't acknowledge others in THAT way...you KNOW we were all thinking.... you weren't hired either? Huh.
     
  10. mollydoll

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    That school does not deserve you McK.
     
  11. SCTeachInTX

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    Big, fat, ugly, bald *#@%! That was just mean. Mean, do you hear? Mean. I am in agreement with the poster that wanted to you to ask this principal why you were not considered for one of the 12 new hiring positions. What made a brand new teacher with zero experience that had not proven herself time and time again in wind, hail, sleet, and snow to be there for children. What made THAT teacher that had not proven herself with a successful summer school program that attracted students to join rather than run naked in the streets over summer??? What distinguished those brand new teachers above you that has experience, a pleasant demeanor, not to mention mob connections???? Are they insane???? I would hire you today if I had a job in a school in any state in the US. How dare he! And yes, I am totally serious!
    Sincerely,
    ScrewtheP Brown
     
  12. lilmisses1014

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    Wow. They suck and totally do not deserve an awesome and amazing teacher like you!
     
  13. ahodge79

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    I can totally understand how you feel! The only thing I can think of is that in my old district, they had contracts with the universities to hire a certain number of new teachers... but is a very large district (70+ elem).
     
  14. MATgrad

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    You're wise to cut your ties with that district. They don't deserve you. I had a school do that to me. I was good enough to sub, fill in last minute, do all the maternity positions for two years but when I was looking for a position. I didn't even warrant an interview. In the end, they're loss. Just like its that school district's loss for you McKenna.

    It's kind of mean of me but the first time you tell them no you will feel so good about it. It might take them awhile but they'll get the message that you're no interested in being their gopher eventually. What a bunch of morons!
     
  15. pinkteacher123

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    I am so sorry that that happened to you! You have every right be upset... I sure would be.

    But like others have said, if they act in such a way, it is better that you find another district to be an amazing teacher in, cause they certainly don't deserve you.

    I had a few similar things happen in the district I went to school in K-12 and worked in in a variety of jobs. I was always filling in last minute, doing whatever was asked of me and more without complaining, and even using my planning periods while subbing to help teachers with projects and prepping materials. I was told that I was second choice for a long term subbing position, and then when that exact position came up again later in the year, I wasn't even given an interview. And it's not the only time something like this has happened either.

    We are good teachers... and we will find a district that recognizes what we can offer and simply can't wait to have us teach their students!
     
  16. smalltowngal

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    McKenna~this school does not deserve you AT ALL!!!! I wouldn't give the district the time of day unless it was an emergency for YOU. And I would definitely approach the principal and ask him to maybe look over your resume to see how you might 'improve' it to get an interview since you applied to his district and did not get an interview for one of the 12 positions.
     
  17. blessedhands

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    Sorry to say but new teacher hire is cheaper than hiring someone with 1-2 Masters. I think the schools sometimes are not looking at your great potential and experience, but at their budgets.

    I think its time for you to seek a position at other schools where possible.
     
  18. BerniceBobs

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    True. I have a friend who took over eighth grade core last year. He was the fourth teacher; all the others had gone running to the hills. The class was a nightmare but he saved it from becoming theTitanic instilling order and establishing a secure learning environment.
    How was he rewarded for his efforts? He was given a pink slip and they hired a student teacher to replace him. Apparently with his experience and master's degre, he was too expensive. He was devastated.
    Guess what? I am looking at my son's back-to-school map and I see that the less expensive new teacher has fled already. The classrooom has no teacher at this point.
    This was not only so predicatable, it was avoidable. The sad thing is the adminstration is not learning from its mistakes and keeps repeating them.
     
  19. MissJill

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    My advice is to get out of the district. Screw them.

    I dealt with exactly the same thing you were dealing with and I finally had enough of it when I was called to sub during the last day of school and they had the audacity to ask me to stay later to help another teacher move her classroom down the hall.

    I was getting paid $70 / day for 2 years and they wanted me to help some other teacher get a new room? Hell no.

    Definitely talk to an administrator and see why you were not considered. I did and I was told "there are people in line before you". Which was complete BS.

    I have more respect for myself then to let people treat me like garbage and use me.

    I hope everything works out for you.

    I stopped working for the district last September, and I concentrated on getting a job with the best of my ability, putting as many resumes in as I could throughout the whole state and I started working full time in April (got hired in January). I had to move 2 hours away, but it was worth it!
    People keep asking me if I want to come back and work for that district and I tell everyone I would never step foot in that district again, I'm a good teacher and they lost me.
     
  20. BerniceBobs

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    Good for you Miss Jill !(Hey, my name is Jill )
    Did you agree to help that teacher move her classroom?
    Man, so they were basically asking you to work for free because you only get paid for the school's hours that day.
    That is so appalling.
     
  21. MissJill

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    I helped for a little while, then ended up ripping a new shirt and told everyone I would never be back in the district again. I said I was sick of being treated like garbage.

    I was even called in for 3 "courtesy" interviews. I literally sat down in the chair and the principal said, "we don't have any openings and I don't see any coming up." I then asked him why exactly I was called in for an interview then. He didn't have an answer.

    I was told to get "under the wing" of an assistant superintendent, but I'm sure they meant, something else (use your imagination) at least have my dad do him a favor or something. That is how people in the district get jobs. (No lie). There was a Kindergarten opening in a school that I had been consistently subbing in for months and the person who got the job had not subbed in the district at all, but she was the superintendent's babysitter. I guess that counts.
     
  22. hatima

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    I've been actively seeking a job since 2006, taught summer school one summer (the program was cut), subbed ongoing both Long Term and In House. But I keep hearing the same old line, "I want someone with more experience."

    The first year teachers that get hired are sadly the few and lucky. Subbing and even long term subbing when writing your own plans, doesn't count as experience. I know someone who can help get me a job outside Albuquerque due to long time friends , but when ever I talk to the district on my own they snub me, so I told her no not to use her long time friend to get me the job, that the school district is always rude at job fairs and with extreme disinterest sets my resume aside, then calls the next person...this is after I waited 30 minutes to see them while he talked to everyone, oh and I didn't name drop like the two people in front of me, who were warmly spoke to (and the connection to get me the job in the superintendent).

    I'm sorry for what happened I've experienced problems with the school thanking me and praising me profusely for all my hard work. I apply for a job at the school and don't even get an interview. It is hard, most principals here want a level II or hire, but you can't rid the level I (provisional/initial) until you have classroom experience with YOU as the teacher of RECORD. And on year one you can't work on the dossier at all! Subbing, even long term doesn't count and many times to save cost those can last half a year!

    I think I'm rambling....
     
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    hi hatima... hum Albuquerque is where I just moved from, so I totally know what you are talking about. However I got on the "must hire" list just as I was graduating at the job fair held at UNM. They have to hire a certain number of grads each year. I can't believe you can't even get in to interview at a school you've been subbing at! BTW, there is no point in working on the dossier until your third year in the class anyways because they don't accept any records from before that.

    You would probably have to go for a high ESL school first (SE or SW). work on the TESOL endorsement (classes or test) and that will greatly help. fact is there isn't as much competition in those schools. Thats where I started and thanked my lucky stars that my principal knew the principal of one of the schools I wanted to get into on the NW side after I moved.
     
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    ahodge79, I know that is what every tells me about the must hire list. Thanks for the tip about the dossier. Yea, I need to get the ESL or TESOL endorsement, every other month the PED or APS or UNM is telling me something different on the requirements. I get told something different then two other people I know that are searching for a teaching job.
     
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    I subbed for years in my home district while trying to get a full time (after being SAHM) and they only interviewed me for jobs I wasn't fully qualified for or experienced in. I finally decided that I was never reallybeing considered for those jobs. I applied at the neighboring district and after 3 sub jobs, I got a LTS position and finally a job in a 3rd district. I took great joy in telling them that I was no longer available. It was so good for me!
     
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    I've got a vivid imagination.... I hope it's not THAT!
     
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    McKennal, things like this just burn me up!

    I wanted to change districts a couple of years ago and they hired a girl who had graduated from that district and had a father-in-law on the board. I had my Master's in gifted ed, she only had 6 hours towards her.

    In retrospect, this is discrimination, it's wrong, I don't care if they got her cheaper, it's still wrong, and illegal!!!!!!

     
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    To add to that, the district near me hired the super's daughter over everyone else! Hmmm.. try and compete with that! :/
     
  29. McKennaL

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    Today I met the teacher that won the 6th grade position over me (a few weeks ago). Odd, huh?

    She was an employee in the district already. I don't feel as bad anymore. I couldn't have competed against that advantage.
     
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    It might not have even been possible; I'm guessing the union mandated rehiring district employees before taking on anyone not already affiliated with the district.
     

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