what to do....what to do

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  1. ktmiller222

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    So I interviewed for a position that I have successful experience in. I had round 3 on Monday. Round 4 is the final one and is with the Superintendent and that's what I'm waiting on. They said they will approve the new teacher at the next board meeting which is end of next week.

    Now this school has put me in this available classroom for the last week to "observe". I love being in the room and I am starting to get attached to the kids. I have so many ideas for the classroom and it's hard to just sit back and follow the current substitute teacher. I'm really happy to be in there but I am also confused. The principal said the job is down to me and another person. I've been waiting almost 5 years to get back into teaching and this is just killing me. They are being careful because the previous teacher did a poor job and quit out of nowhere.

    I totally understand their frustration but I also just want to know. I would hate for the kids to have me for so long and then I would just vanish and another person comes in. It's not fair to them.
    I tried to talked to the principal the last two days but she had already left the building. How would you feel in this situation? What would you do?
     
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  3. K-5_teacherguy

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    It sounds like you don't have much of a choice but to wait and see if you made it to the final round (which is much easier said than done obviously.) I don't really have any words of wisdom but I know exactly how you feel and I wish you the best of luck! The waiting game is no fun at all.
     
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    You demonstrate patience without running to admin about whether or not they have made a decision yet. Those students can wait a week to meet their new teacher, and the teacher should be able to show grace under pressure. One week is not "so long" in reality, and you need to understand that. Your eagerness is commendable, but it could be your undoing if you can't tell what is or is not an acceptable boundary. Trust me, I saw this play out several years ago, and the second choice ended up with the job, as the first choice ended up being branded too needy. We have all had to wait, and it is never our favorite part of the job search, but you should look at a much bigger picture and set about observing, as they have asked you to do. This way, if you get the job, you will be ready to seamlessly take over.
     
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    Thanks. I tried to see the principal again today but she was gone all day. I've just started to get frustrated today because the sub and para in there now are doing things wrong. It's almost difficult to be watch. Ah! Well, maybe I'll hear back tomorrow!
     
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    I understand your feelings of frustration, but you have only been there a week. There may be a reason why things are being done as they are. Maybe this is the way the administration has instructed the sub and aide to work. Maybe they ARE both clueless and haven't got any idea how to run the room.

    Unfortunately, you have no say in the matter right now. Just what are you trying to speak to the P about?
     
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    Just to touch base. I am in a couple of districts for day-to-day subbing. I got advice from some principals to not put all of my eggs in one basket as a sub. Although I like the school and everything, I am just observing (I'm not allowed to do anything and trust me I want to do so many things in there lol...it's killing me). If I was not picked for the position, it's okay. I rather spend my day actually subbing somewhere (including the same school/district) working on lessons/doing activities with kids, and not just sitting in a room all day waiting for someone new to walk in. I also feel bad for the kids. I hate the fact that we are building a relationship and it's possible they won't see me again in a couple of weeks. There have been so many people walking in and out of that room, it's not far to them. Maybe I'm just confused about why they are putting me in there/what I'm supposed to do, especially if they don't plan on hiring me. I don't know. Ah! I know 200% that I can change the room for the better and this is just killing me not knowing if I got the job or not.
     
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    Are other applicants coming in the room? Why in the world would they want you just sitting there? Are you getting paid?
     
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    No the other applicant that they are considering has not been in there. Yes, I am getting paid as a substitute teacher.
     
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    I could be wrong... but that sounds to me like they've decided?
    I agree with the previous advice to just be patient and try not to appear too needy or pushy for information they might not be able to give just yet. It sounds like you've pretty much got it though, so I wouldn't worry too much.
     
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    that's what i was hoping but I saw the girl at the 3rd round interview this week. she was after me. So i know they are considering her. I just assume she is not a sub in the district (even though i just become a sub 2 wks ago) and that's why she is not in there.
     
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    I think you have missed the big picture, and it is confusing me. You are being paid to observe. I don't care how many districts you may or may not work in, and two is not a number that I consider many, you are being paid a daily wage to do what you are told. If I can piece together the information from your posts, there is a principal and a superintendent, who are not one and the same person. With that being the case, and the fact that apparently the superintendent will make the choice, why are you hot on the heels of the principal? I can tell you that if the principal was at liberty to tell you something, you would be aware, and all the trying to see her after school, during the school day, etc., is not going to change that. There is a fine line between eager and impulse issues, and you need to decide if you have crossed that line. No one here can change the outcome, but you have the ability to absolutely sink your own ship by acting erratically. Waiting is hard, but if you can't do that one thing, you may not be cut out to take day to day interaction with students and staff. You can continue to make excuses and whip yourself into a frenzy, or you can do the one thing, well, that they have asked of you - observe and wait. I would give that some serious consideration.
     
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    My thought is if they are paying you to observe - the Super may have questions for you based on those observations. For example, what did you see that you would continue, what will you change, how would you handle the behavior of xyz kid, etc. Be observant, take notes, be ready for any question. And I agree with the others, if the principal had something to tell you, she/he would. Good luck!
     
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    thanks for the input. I was told today before i left that they don't need me in the room anymore. my thoughts are they hired the other person. i'm just really confused by this. it feels like a slap in the face. especially, since they never talked to me about my observations. i didn't see any administration at any time. it's so strange. i'm just trying to not take it so personally but it's just so hard to understand why they put me in there for that long for nothing.
     
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    So sorry they did this to you. It all seems strange. Unless they want that person to do what you did and observe for a few days next week.
     
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    I actually agree with this - if you got this far in the hiring process, I would be surprised if a simple "don't come to the room" is the only response you would get if being excluded from further consideration. However, if your worst fears are realized, submit a letter thanking them for their consideration, and request a brief meeting with someone on the evaluation team who can help you evaluate your strengths and weaknesses going forward, so that you can consider this information and work on any weaknesses going forward in your continued job search. If you are respectful, sincere, and not accusing them of breaking your heart, they will probably agree. That interview could be extremely helpful going forward.

    Last word of advice - don't ask for such a meeting until such time that you have officially been passed over, and until such time that you have your emotions in check and you can put on a good game face.
     
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    There are so many things involved in the hiring process that we are not aware of. It might be something you did or did not do. You might have been perfect but the other person had some advantage you don't know about. You may never know and they may never tell you. You can ask but they have no obligation to you at this point. Take this all as a learning experience whether you get the job or not.

    You tried to see the principal, they were not available. That might have been reported to the higher ups, the fact you were in the office or whatever.

    You didn't like what you saw in the classroom. You were there to observe not to judge. That might have been reported also. It could have been something you said, did, or your expression.

    Until you have a permanent job and tenure you must be on your best behavior at all times. A good game face is the right term. The way people act in interviews is sometimes a hint on how they might be in the classroom. The observation might have been some kind of test or not. You will never know.

    The kids will get over it. That is hard to understand but it is part of life. They will meet people, get attached to them, and those individuals will fade from view. Unless they knew you might be their teacher, they have no reason to be disappointed. You are one of many people in their lives.

    You can only control what you can control. Everything else is in the past. Move on.

    I hope you get the job. If you don't, try again and focus only on what you can control, your actions.

    I'm sorry that it all happened in the way it did. The hiring process can be cold and heartless. Keep your chin up.
     
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    Thanks for the response. I def was on my A game there. The subs in there ask me for advice (since they had no background in the field) a few times that was it. I just followed their lead since. It just dawned on me that during my first interview, they told me there was a full-time aid in the room. When I was observing, there wasn't. Only a sub aide who was asked to be in there for now. Not sure why they lied. Also people at the school were restraining students who were not certified/trained to do so. They didn't seem to have a good plan going on. oh well. I wanted the job to bring in my ideas/skills from my success story as a teacher. I guess I just have to get over it. I just applied to a different district, one that is more challenging, so maybe they will see something in me. thanks again.
     
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    Btw I had a similar scenario happen to me, where a P wanted me to teach 2 days in a class and be observed before committing to hiring me. Halfway through the first day the P met with me and said i wasn't a right fit. And told me to step out the room so they could demo another candidate. It was the most awkward setting for me.

    In the end it worked out though, and I'll never forget a staff members advice to me at that school. I felt beaten down and upset by the experience. But a few days later I landed a TA position that changed my life and perspective on teaching, which lead me to a summer school teaching job, and from there excellent references, which helped land the teaching position I have now.

    As they say everything happens for a reason. Don't give up hope!
     
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    Thanks for sharing that. It's just strange to me because I had already done my teaching demo in another classroom. They just wanted me to observe the class, they weren't observing me in it. I never saw them during my time there. I was there for almost 10 days observing. To take something positive from this, it made me realize that I was only applying to the top schools in the county. I realized that I should apply to other districts that might not rank so high. Not because they are terrible to work for (I know there are great teachers in them) but because they might see my skills and background as a benefit to their students. Even if I don't get an interview with the position I just applied for this weekend (in a district that doesn't rank very high), I will contact them to sub in their district. I'm also looking into districts that I had on my "no" list because I wanted to be somewhere else, or at least I thought I wanted to be. Maybe that was my downfall. I don't know. I'll see what happens! =)
     

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