What does it mean if...

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  1. Em_Catz

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    ...each year, your homeroom class list is made up of the lowest of the low students? (Based on their K assessment scores and grades)

    I'm a good teacher, but not as experienced as my team leader (she was asked to teach a PD this summer and is earning a degree in Administration) Each year she gets a class of high, average and low kids. I only the other hand get low, lower and lowest kids.

    Ididn' t mind at first but we are moving to a new teacher evaluation system where 50% of your overall evaluation score comes from student progress. It doesn't feel fair b/c she has a lot of kids who START at average or above so each year her students appear to make tremendous progress b/c they have a stronger foundation., she also admits she loves having higher kids b/c they can help the lower ones sometimes.

    Last year i got low kids again and few average ones and it was nice.
     
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  3. Missy

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    Student progress means that you can show growth. Data from the beginning and end are looked at. Her "end" may be higher, but so is her beginning.

    I agree, however, that the kids as not being assigned fairly.
     
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    The good thing about getting low students is that they tend to have more opportunity to show huge gains. Even though the numbers will not be as high as your team lead, their gains may be more.

    I never understood why admin would set up classrooms like this. The fact that you get the low students might mean that admin think that you are better able to serve them then the team lead teacher.
     
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    That's my situation, too. I don't know how it's really fair, either. :(
     
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    Same here. I also tend to get the biggest behavior problems because "I can handle it". Maybe, just maybe, I don't want to handle it????????
     
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    I get the lows, the really needy sped kids, and the BIG behavior problems. Last year my standardized test scores were terrible. Well, of course, over 50% of my class was on an IEP!

    This year I'm in a nontesting grade, but I'm still afraid of what is going to happen this year when our evaluation is based on student growth. I bust my butt, but when you get loaded with the neediest kids, it doesn't always look like it in the "data."
     
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    I'm kind of in a similar situation but in mine I get the least experienced assistant every year. I get told that I have great classroom management skills but after 5 years, I don't want to hear it anymore. I feel sorry for my students because if they had a different teacher, they would get great support.

    This year I got a great assistant (one who I could learn from) and today, 15 minutes before the first day of school, I was told that she will be moved to another classroom before the students arrive. :mad:
     
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    I think it means the other teacher makes the list :rolleyes:
     
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    I don't think we can really tell you what it means because there's no universal answer. Here, it seems to depend on the school/admin. Some schools stick the newbie teachers with the lowest kids and they have to "pay their dues" which IMO is the worst possible scenario. Some tend to separate the classes by ability level by putting each with the teachers that they think are best with the specific level of kids and are willing to take them and accommodate their needs. One teacher is good with low kids so she gets that class, another teacher has a gifted endorsement of some kind so he/she gets the highest kids, etc. Some try to spread kids of each ability level relatively evenly between classes. Sometimes it's just admin choosing favorites, but I've never worked in a school with admin this bad.
     
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    This is my situation, too...I always get "those kids," because my classroom is very structured, and I have a firm, but gentle, approach to behavior management. Of course, I just love all of my kiddos, but it is exhausting to have 5 IEPS year after year, while other teachers may have 0 or 1 (not to mentioned the longer conferences, and various meetings with specialists).

    I hate to sound like I'm whining, but I would love to have a year where I don't have to be tied to the SPED teachers schedule. There is no flexibility in what I do, because my students receive LLI, Lexia, OT, PT, Speech, etc. at a set time.
     
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    I actually requested a class like yours last year under the condition that I could use PI in my instruction. The P gave me permission to use Print Inversion, but I still ended up with a mixed ability "regular ed" class. There were "only" 4 extremely low non-readers in this class, but Print Inversion worked with all four. The kids were happy, the parents were happy and the P was happy. Administration and SPED shut me down because it was too successful.

    Maybe you can use PI without telling anyone and shock the hell out of them all with some "off the chart" improvement data. It's a hard secret to keep, though, as happy kids and parents tend to share their good fortune.

    Steve
     
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    Thanks everyone for the support and sharing. I'm sorry you all experience the same thing but I have to admit it's good knowing I'm not alone!

    I've heard of giving the new teachers low kids to pay their dues, but this is my 5th year at this school and I've never been "in trouble" (meaning having to turn in my lesson plans every Friday or written up for disciplinary actions) so I don't know what the deal is.

    I know the other teacher isn't making the list, because the previous years teachers make the class lists at the end of the school year. I'm not sure who assigns the lowest class to me...probably the P and reading specialists.
     
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    How are placements done?

    Perhaps you could approach administration with your concerns if you have concrete data to support them. Best wishes for a great year.
     

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