Want to transfer or quit

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  1. teresaglass

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    Hello everyone,

    I am a certified science, English, and Special education teacher working as a para. I have worked as a para for the past three years. I have tried to apply for teacher openings at my school and I am always rejected. I also applied for teacher openings in the district. I managed to pass the interview but i was not put on the hiring list even though I asked my principal for a reference. Today I overheard the school office manager talking to another teacher about another opening for a special education teacher and they want to hire an uncredentialed teacher for the position. They are waiting for this teacher to pass the MS CSET. I have passed all of the tests and have sent my resume multiple times. What is wrong with me? I feel I am wasting my time at this school. I do not have a permanent position. I keep working as a floater and sometimes Iget to handle resource students but I am extremely dissatisfied. I am going to take the Chemistry CSET in November. I wonder if I should just quit this job and leave this district? For some reason they really and truly dislike me and I do not know why. Should I go to the principal or assistant principal and ask why they will not hire me as a teacher or should I just give up? I am really fed up with this crummy school. I feel they dislike me because I am 56, white, and I do not speak Spanish.
     
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  3. SwOcean Gal

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    Wow- I would not give up. If this is something you want strongly enough you cannot give up- yeah it is rough out there and very hard to find a teaching job, but I would certainly talk to the P, talk to the teachers- talk to everyone and anyone- let them know those certifications and your desire to teach as a classroom teacher (assuming that is what you want...) Keep talking, keep hand delivering resumes, keep your name and experience and passion out there! Maybe you do have to move schools- go everywhere and keep going until you get something. I do not think they would even have you around if they did not like you- you have something you offer them and they are taking it, you just need to really sell yourself and let it be known your aspirations and goals and passion! Let everyone know what you want and what you can do for them in that position- sell yourself.
     
  4. TeacherApr

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    This is a great view on things but I am also looking it at a different perspective. Obviously, you are qualified and for them to say a position is open but they are holding out on someone else when they know darn well you know the school and are qualified is fishy to me. I certainly would not want to be around people that aren't recognizing my accomplishments. I would talk to the principal about your concerns and ask what you can do next time to make yourself more "qualified". If you aren't satisfied with that answer then personally, I would be getting the H out of there. There are plenty of other schools and principals that would recognize your hard work and dedication.

    It's odd to me that they wouldn't hire within. That's how I got my first job. I was a sub all the time at a certain school and then I applied for a behavior specialist position and got it the next day after the interview.
     
  5. stepka

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    Oooh I feel your pain. I'm in the same position almost, and the thing I've been told over and over and in different schools is that they never hire their TAs for teaching positions. It makes absolutely no sense whatever to me b/c they use us all the time for subs, and they know all of your good and bad qualities, but there you go. One of our best TAs had to go get a job in another district and from what I hear, she is doing very well. I'm also looking outward, but I keep trying in my school too--just not holding my breath there. Yes, I think you should try to go get a job elsewhere. The only reason that I can think of for why a school wouldn't hire its TAs is because we get typecast in that role and it's a hard image to shake--really it shows just how snobby the admin is towards those in our position.
     
  6. ITeachSDCkids

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    I'd keep a record of my applications and keep submitting them while I looked for jobs in other districts. I'd also apply to be a sub at the district you are with and in others close by. Also-since something does seem out of order- I'd make an appointment with the head of HR and ask what you can do to improve your chances of being considered for a teaching position. I would directly ask if there is something they feel needs improving-just to find out. It may just be a $ thing per hiring someone with only an emergency credential. Also you can always invite the head of Special Ed or the principal to observe you and then ask for a letter of recommendation. I began as a Para and when I applied to teach my district was not very supportive-they told me since I'd be an intern (I was still in the credential program) they really wanted someone more qualified. They did hire somone else, but later she didn't want the job. Now it is 9 years later and I am in the same classroom! Be presistent and don't give up!
     
  7. pete2770

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    Not legal advice at all -- but what you said could very well be impacting their hiring you.

    Your age. It's very hard to prove though, and I'm not saying it's the reason as I don't know you.

    It's very expensive to hire older teachers and the years of service won't be as long (especially if CA has the age+service to retirement thing).

    Tread carefully, but take notes. It's something that's very hard to prove -- but you have to be aware.

    You almost have to catch someone saying 'he's too old,' or get a hold of something tangible.
     
  8. ITeachSDCkids

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    I think both younger and older teachers have many positive things to offer to the field. In my district we had some folks who had gone back to school later in life (after the economy problems), switched professions and they have become great teachers. If age is the reason and that can be evidenced the district would be placing themselves in a very poor position. Directly asking about why you are not being considered and the answers will shed more light on this and also will demonstrate you sincerely want to know what the reasons are. I would also suggest reviewing your annual evaluations in your file at the district. You do have a right to examine those and they should only contain what you already have been given copies of annually.
     
  9. Miss J. Pre-K

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    A para in an elementary school that I knew (actually my preacher's wife) was about 60 when she finished her teacher's cred. She tried for 4 years to get an elementary position in our district. I honestly think they didn't want to lose a good (experienced) aide and they knew she was probably 5 years from retirement, if that. Discrimination? Yes. Provable? Not likely.

    I would definitely apply to other districts if I were you.
     
  10. UVAgrl928

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    Do other staff members know that you feel that way? Is it affecting the way that you are doing your job? Are you completing all your job responsibilities in a professional manner?

    Also, I would talk to the teacher that you work with... there is a good chance that your P might have talked to her about the posibility of you entering a teaching position. I feel for your situation, it stinks, but I would re-evaluate my job performance. We have a para that spends most of her day reading and sleeping. I know that she would like to teach, and I understand it is frustrating to not be able to get a position... but she still has a job that she was hired to complete on a daily basis. If asked, I would not recommend her for a teaching position. I'm hoping that's not the case with you (if you are on here, it tells me you probably go above and beyond your duties and responsibilities), but keep in mind that the P has eyes all over the school!
     
  11. Kate Change

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    It's definitely time to apply to other districts. In this case, it isn't your qualifications. In my district, we hire para to teacher all the time. I work at the only school I've ever worked at.

    One thing that does happen at our school, new teachers are always younger. I am not saying this to frustrate you, but if you applied as a first year teacher, you would never be hired by my admin. It's discrimination and it isn't right, but it struck a cord with me when you said they were waiting for someone to get certified. If you feel this might be the case in your district, it's better to look somewhere else. There are a lot of people who are prejudiced, but not everyone is.
     
  12. INteacher

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    Just something else to check - in my state, mine admin would not be able to apply and receive an emegerency license for a position if someone on staff had the license required for the position and were available to teach as is your case. Maybe check with your Union or state DOE.

    Good Luck teresa - I hope something works out for you soon
     
  13. waterfall

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    I second this. I have numerous older family members that are teachers and as a result a lot of our "family friends" were teachers. I've heard about this exact same situation happening ALL THE TIME. They don't want to lose a good para so they will not hire you on as a teacher. They also don't want to hire an older person who is more expensive. I know of this happening with long term subs too- they will keep giving the person more sub jobs but will not give them a full time position. The power is in their hands because if they don't give you a job, you're still going to be working for them so they're not going to lose out on anything. I would definitely start applying to other districts.
     
  14. Ms. I

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    So sorry about your situation. But, yes unfortunately, it's probably due to your age so they know you wouldn't be teaching for much longer anyway & they like you where you are (being a floater), plus if you don't speak Spanish, that means they still have to get an interpreter to help w/ testing & work w/ the kids who know mostly all Spanish, so that's another person they have to bring in. Even if you knew Spanish, they'd probably still see your age as a hindrance.

    I worry about the whole Spanish-speaking issue as I'm trying to be a SLPA (speech-lang path asst). Although some job postings don't specify it, MANY do specify that they want a billingual person, so as good as I may be, I can never apply for those positions. I know Spanish, but not nearly enough to successfully implement it for a job.

    The dist I work for is about 96% Hispanic & I'm expecting a SLPA job posting to pop up any week now. I SURE hope they don't say anything about being billingual because I'd be out of luck! :mad:
     
  15. Barbera

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    Teressa,

    Apply out of district. I don't know what part of CA you are in but in some parts of CA there are 5 districts in a 30 mile radius. With science and special ed credentials hopefully you can find something. Don't stay with a district that is brushing you off for any reason. Get letters of recommendation, go on edjoin and find something and go on as many interveiws as possible.
     
  16. missjessica

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    You never know! I know a few older people who don't speak Spanish who got jobs in districts in the CA Bay Area...where Spanish speaking teachers are needed. Like Barbera said, maybe apply to jobs in nearby districts.
     
  17. stepka

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    I'm still in the same spot and the boss passed me over for an interview this summer so I will transfer, even if to a new TA job. Our job has gotten to be a living hell here anyway and another one of our TA's did get hired over the summer, and he was much younger than me.:mad: Oh yeah, and my boss is the same age as me.
     
  18. LisaLisa

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    Apply to other districts. You need to go where you are wanted. Your district may give you another reason for not hiring you. You may never know the real reason.
    Assess your goals and decide if working in that district is the end all be all.
    This is the ugly side of the teaching profession. Getting hired is luck, timing, and who you know.
     

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