VCLA Raw Scores???

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  1. Shellybelly

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    Does anyone know what a 60% on writing is?
     
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    “Not passing,” I would surmise. I’ve not seen a passing score that low here before.
     
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    I infer that Shellybelly's 60% is an unofficial score on selected-response questions that was given in the test session.

    The score report explanation on the test website tells us that the selected-response questions account for 50% of available points in the writing subtest. It's probably mathematically possible to garner enough of the remaining 50% of points to pass, especially if one's performance on the reading-comprehension subtest was strong - but, yes, it's going to be quite a challenge to do so.
     
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    Very informational. Thank you for your addition.
     
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    Over the years I've done the necessary homework, futuremathsprof; that's what makes me authoritative here. It's a good habit to adopt.
     
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    I took the Reading part again this morning, and my unofficial score was an 82%!! Thanks again for all of your advice!
     
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    I keep a running list of passing and non-passing scores and do least-square regression to find a model that best fits the provided data. I do this for each new certification test I come across. Of the scores posted, I’ve not seen a 60% pass, which is why I said what I said.

    I do do research as I’ve posted many articles over the years and referenced many scholarly links. I don’t just make something up on the fly. I may not know everything there is to know about something and I say when I don’t. For example, I will say, “Based upon what I’ve seen/read, it would appear that...” Then, others — sometimes you — will respond as if I’m overgeneralizing (speaking in absolutes) when I clearly just said I was not. Take a prior post in this thread, for example, when I said I surmise it was nonpassing based on the numerous threads I’ve read on here over the years.

    On the occasions that you have corrected me, it was for very minor mistakes and not glaring ones. Also, just because I say something that is 95% true and 5% false, for instance, it doesn’t mean that I don’t do research or that everything I’ve said is somehow negated.
     
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    Clearly it makes you uncomfortable to be challenged. I'm not unsympathetic on that score. But I learned years ago that, while blaming that discomfort on the source of the challenge appears to relieve the discomfort in the short term, in the long term it is about as productive as scratching a mosquito bite: the resulting welts become inflamed, as your somewhat histrionic final sentence corroborates, and the new discomfort is worse than the original. Research in advance doesn't repel all of those metaphorical mosquitos, but it assuredly reduces their numbers.

    More importantly, I routinely recheck even facts of which I'm fairly certain because it seems to me that a question or concern posed in earnest - as questions and concerns on the Examinations for Teachers forum tend to be - deserves an answer that is as accurate as I can reasonably make it.
     
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    I have no problem being challenged as I have been many times on here. Challenge away. This is a forum where we engage in intellectual discourse. It’s just, in addition to challenging me, you tend to say condescending comments with the advice you offer. Maybe I misinterpreted you wrongfully and I apologize if I did, but you’ve done it many times — I believe — and they have been directed at me. For example, “it is a good habit to adopt” after saying you are authoritative because you’ve done your homework and research before posting, as if I don’t do any research at all. I research topics a lot.
     
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    My son and, by extension, I were very grateful to those who have posted on this forum. He took the exam in split format, over 2 days, which is highly recommended for a slow reader, for whatever reason. He took the reading test on a Saturday, used up almost all time, and earned 88%, which scaled to 286. He took the writing test the next day, and once again used all available time. The percentage was scored at 80%. He completed all writing assignments and essays. The scaled score for the writing was 244. Total score was 530.

    As he told me about the test, Teacher Groupie's post was highly relevant: Ah. Process of elimination is a great start; you just need to be a little more fine-grained in what you're eliminating. The correct answer is the one that comes closest to being fully true, even if one of its details is less specific than another answer. Pay attention to the details; if need be, use your scratch paper to match up details you're given in a passage with details suggested by a possible answer.

    In studying for the reading, my son used a system where you use the practice tests (there are 2), and after taking them completely a couple of times, start to concentrate on the questions you have missed, exclusively. Immediately score the shortened test, write out what you think went wrong when you miss it, research if needed, and then take the "missed" items again. Soon you should be able to get to virtually 100% correct. Most importantly, you spend a lot of time understanding your mistakes, learning exactly what the test is asking you to look for. It is a learning experience. Keep yourself honest and take the whole tests on occasions. My personal testing routine has been to do this in the evening. When finished, go directly to bed - no phone, no TV, no music. Your brain is a wonderful computer that continues to work as you sleep, forming neural pathways that make it easier to access the material later.

    My son has a vision problem that makes him a slow reader, so I knew that there would be no way to pass it in one super hard test session. When he signed up, we considered it money well spent to take the test in two sessions. He probably could have passed the reading in the combo scenario, but with a lower score. I am certain that he would not have passed the writing portion. He said he watched the time very closely as he was writing, and he finished with only 4 minutes left.

    I took the practice tests, to understand how the test was structured. I have multiple endorsements, including English, Science, Elem. Ed., and Social Studies, and have earned very high Praxis scores in all of my content exams, but I initially struggled with the VCLA. I believe I could pass it with time and serious study, but I am certain of one thing - it is a hard test to master, and it should be given serious consideration by anyone who needs to pass it to stay employed, such as qualified teachers from other states moving into Virginia. If you wait till the last minute, you are welcoming serious stress that could affect your score.

    Best of luck to those who have yet to take this exam.
     
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    Hello everyone. I'm a french teacher, can anyone tell me what would be a 60% for the writing subtest excluding the summary and composition parts? I scored for the reading 213 so far do you think I can pass the VCLA with these scores! I'm so nervous because this is my 3rd time trying this also English is my third language. Any advice ? please help!
    Thanks in advance
     
  12. Nanette

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    Hi Vickilyn ! Thanks for all the precious information I really need this. Can you please tell me which practice sites your son used? I am so nervous about this.
    Thanks again
     
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    Nanette, did you learn English on your own or in school? If you learned it in school, the chances are that you were taught a certain amount of grammar, and that should stand you in good stead on the multiple choice questions.

    UsingEnglish.com is a website to which I've sent a number of native speakers of English, because the explanations of the rules are very clear - but the explanations are so clear because the site is actually intended for English learners. You may find it helpful. You might also check Richard Byrne's blog Free Technology for Teachers for links to grammar-review websites.

    Pay special attention to capitalization conventions - in English, days of the week and languages are treated as proper names - and punctuation conventions. When possible, avoid using a punctuation mark you're not sure you can handle or a word you can't spell. (Lucky for you, educated English vocabulary tends to be Latin- or Greek-based and, aside from oddities of Greek, more regular in spelling than is basic English.)
     
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    There are two version of the practice exams available. They are free!
    https://www.va.nesinc.com/PageView.aspx?f=GEN_VCLAPractice.html

    Best of luck!
    FWIW, I smiled when I read TeacherGroupie's mention about not using a word you can't spell. That is something I distinctly remember my son mentioning - he changed one of his word choices when writing one of his paragraphs because it was at the end of the 4 hours, and he didn't want to take the risk of misspelling it. :rolleyes:
     
  15. Jaxx

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    I got a 77% on reading and a 68% on writing
    I've been trying to take a look at other scores and figure out whether or not I passed but I'm just not having any luck. Do you guys think I might have passed? Thanks for the feedback!
     
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    From earlier in this thread:
    Jul 5, 2018

    Here are the results of my first round of VCLA testing from June 2018:
    Reading = 248 (77%) = Passed WOOHOO
    Writing = 200 (68%) (Summary & Essays Completed)

    The good news is that unlike the Praxis Exams, you only have to wait about 10 days to find out if you passed, if I understand correctly, when you sign up to be notified via email. FWIW, your reading score looks solid. Not as sure of the writing score - that 68% only shows how you scored on the 50% of the test that was multiple choice, so your final score will depend on how you actually score on your writing assignments. I suspect that your reading score will get you in the "passing" range of 230-240, but I wouldn't be able to project the writing score. As you realize, you don't actually need to get a 235 on either as long as the composite is 470 or better. Even if you get your scores in 10 days, you can't sign up to retake either portion of the test in less than 30 days. You can keep fingers crossed, hopefully find out your scores in a few more days, and then plan accordingly if you need to retake either section. Best news is that if you do have to retake a section, but not both, you will have the full 4 hours to work on the portion you need to pass.
     
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    Thanks for your reply I appreciate it. The only issue is that I didn't have the time to complete the essay. I only had time to complete the summary part. I am very stressed out about this because my deadline is approaching very soon.
     
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    Did you pass? I'm curious to know because I got the same exact scores as you!
     
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    When is your exact deadline?
     
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    Hi. Im new to this site. I took the VCLA for the umpteenth time today. My reading subscore is 65% and my writing is 80% without the written portion scored. Does anyone think i passed finally? Please say yes.....
     
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    I only need 243 points to pass
     
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    You say that you only need 243 points to pass. Which of the two scores are you considering as "a done deal"? Of course, the truth is that you simply need that composite score of 470 or better.

    Your reading score seems a little low, so may be the score "in hand". The writing score is decent for what we know. Were you able to complete the writing assignments? Do you feel like you followed the VCLA guidelines on length, number of paragraphs, and how is your spelling overall? You don't have to actually give me any of those answers, but they are factors to consider. The best news I can give you is that you will only have to wait for 10 days to get your score. Just curious - is 227 your highest score to date on the reading portion of the test?
     
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    Yay a response ok yes 227 is the highest ive gotten on the reading. Yes i believe i follwed the formats. I was within both word counts 175 for the summary and around 350 to 400 for the essay. I know for sure the essay had 5 to 6 paragraphs. I believe the summary did as well. I tool took notes while reading the summary. Just curious....do you know the raw score numbers for those precentages? Thanks for answering
     
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    The problem is that on the writing portion, the score you are shown is only for the multiple choice, so everything will hinge on your essay. If you don't mind me asking, how many times have you taken the test? My son was stressing on this thing just a few months ago, which is the only reason that I follow this thread. The best person to help you overall is Teacher Groupie, but even she can't predict the score on the writing based on the raw score - too many variables. If you score above 235 on the writing, but don't pass with the 470, I would suggest attacking the reading portion of the test, using both of the practice tests that are available to you. I think you have a shot at passing with the score provided, but the raw score is less predictive (to me) for the writing portion than the raw score for the reading test. Try to take some deep breaths, be grateful that the wait is only 10 days, and if you don't pass, post here with the breakdown of where you are struggling (shown when you get your results), and Teacher Groupie may suggest some resources that will make your study more productive and successful. I personally think that the time works against many, since it is a stress producer. Follow up with your scores, and if you haven't passed quite yet, you will likely get some solid suggestions to help you on this forum.

    By the way - welcome!
     
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    Ive taken this thing 11 times . Ive used the practice test each time. Ive had tutoring. Ive had a book. At this point i dont know what else to do
     
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    Well, since we can't change anything right this moment, let me just say that I will keep my fingers crossed with you. Doesn't seem like much, but just know that you are not alone, OK? Good thoughts, and don't stress as you wait, because it won't do you any good.

    Has the reading portion been a real problem for you, or is that score typical of what you have been getting? Know that there are many here who will share your pain and frustration, but for this next week, fingers crossed and happy thoughts. Are you taking the test for a job, or to move forward in the teaching program? I'm going to admit that's just me being nosy.

    I did notice that the contractions in the post above this have been spelled without the apostrophe, so Ive instead of I've. Sometimes that is just because you are typing on your phone - it's easier. However, it can become a habit that is hard to break. Always the teacher, I just notice details. ;) Fingers crossed and good wishes for the next 10 days!
     
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    I appreciate your noseiness lol
    I'm rhe same way. Yes, I'm typing on my phone and tend to just let things be. But when I'm writing an essay, especially on thus tedt I'm very conscious about my punctuation. My scores have been up and down. The highest I've ever gotten on my reading was 226. This 80% was the highest ever on my writing as a subscore so I'm pretty stoked about that. My provisional expired 2 years ago. This is the only thing thats standing in my way of getting my license back.
     
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    While we're waiting for those scores, feel free to explore the forums. There's a lot of experience written in these threads, so it might be worth some exploration - and it will keep your mind off having to wait. Enjoy!
     
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    I appreciate all of your input. I thought i would have to wait days for a response. I feel a little more at ease. I just wish i knew what the 80% equated to. I feel pretty goid about my summary and essay. The essay was a relatable topic. And the summary i fed back a lot if the facts that were already there. Fingers crossed
     
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    That I can help you with. That 80% means you scored 80% correct on the multiple choice section of the writing exam. Yeah! However, it doesn't include any scoring of your essay, which is why I asked all of those questions about whether you were able to finish the essay, follow the guidelines, spelling, and so on. That part has to be scored by a real person. The computer can easily figure out whether or not you got the right answers on the multiple choice, but it takes a real person to read your essay, look at how you constructed your essay, how you followed directions, etc.. Obviously, the higher the raw score that you saw, the more points that you have already earned before your actual essay is evaluated. No one will know more until they score your essay at this point. There are members on this forum who know more about the VCLA than I do, but I think they would agree that at this point it is down to the waiting.

    You might want to look for Teacher Groupie's posts on the VCLA threads - lots of good information about the test and what they are looking for. You have some free time, so explore.



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    I want to share my experience with my VCLA, actually I have been reading this forum several times, trying to find a connection between my raw scores and the final ones. My first time taking the VCLA, I got 80% in the reading subtest and 74% on the writing. I did not have time to finish my essays, and I felt I did it very poor. I passed the reading with a 249 (80% raw score) but I did not passed with a 208 (74% raw score). I took the test two weeks ago, just the writing part, especially because I had 4 hours just for the writing (and I need my time). When I finished, I got my raw score, a 74% again... but I felt better about my essay+summary. Today I received the final score and I got 235! So, try to be patient where you are waiting for the final score, especially the writing part that 50% of the score comes from the essay+summary.
    English is my third language, and I have studied English for just 3.5 years, so I am very glad I passed it. Good luck to everyone!
     
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    Congratulations on passing, Roger Reguant, and welcome to A to Z!
     
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    Congratulations
     
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    Oh and by the way I finally PASSED!!!! My 80% raw score on the writing equaled a 246. I passed by 3 points. Thanks for all of your tips, advice and words of encouragement.
     
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    I finally passed. I got 246 points on the writing
     
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    Congrats on the good news! I've thought of you and wondered.
     
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    Thrilled for you, LaToya BP!
     
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    I just took my subtests. I got 77% on reading and 71% on writing. For the essays, I did complete all of them (summary and essay). Can any of you tell me if I have any chance to pass this nightmare vcla I've been taking it seven times now and English is my 3rd language? Thank you all.
     
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    Good evening.

    This will be my 3rd time taking the VCLA writing test and I have some troubles on passing it.
    I did the practice test from the site several times, and I don't understand what's wrong with me.

    Can you give me sone tips on how to pass it?
     

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