Utah Teacher Fired After Showing Students Art

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  1. futuremathsprof

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    Agreed. I did follow up and contacted the principal and their parents. The students in question have been dealt with. It’s just frustrating being so young looking sometimes — I really do look like a teenager even though I’m 25. I once was told by a student that it’s my fault because I look 14??? When I was hired at the school where I work, for example, some of the students commented, “Oh look, we have a new student.” And of course, one of the students mistook me for his friend, rolled up a newspaper, and slapped me on the behind. As if that’s somehow still acceptable between friends. Really? That student was dealt with immediately.

    Teenagers.
     
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    In the context of the discussion (the presence of nudity or partial nudity in the classroom), both were relevant. AlwaysAttend even presented a comparable example with her modern body image scenrio.

    I do apologize for the credibility attack. That was uncalled for.
     
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  3. AlwaysAttend

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    His but who’s counting haha.
     
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    Thank you.

    I do understand that some folk will have deep-seated religious beliefs placing them at odds with displays of nudity. But I find the conflict a particularly American one that casts our society in a negative light against our older, generally European counterparts. And I deeply resent this; it brings me enormous shame to think we may be unable to catch up to the rest of the world in terms of our thinking and social stability.

    And I back teachers. I feel this man was wronged, and that his community owes him. It may as well have been done to me, as I take these notions of fraternity and brotherhood to heart.

    Again, thank you.
     
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    That's crazy. Hopefully that student was expelled, or at least suspended for sexual harassment. It shouldn't matter how old or young you look. That's a top-tier offense.
     
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    He was suspended for five days, he received zeros in all of his classes for those missed days, was forbidden from doing senior year activities, and had to write an apology letter. He and his parents were embarrassed and mortified. It was very awkward for everyone involved...
     
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    So his grade now represents his behavior more than his academic ability?
     
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    What I was thinking too
     
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    Students are not allowed to make up work for unexcused absences. Suspensions fall under that category. That is the school policy so my hands are tied.
     
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    He's lucky to be continuing in the school at all. Especially given it's a private school, and they can more easily give him the boot.

    I wouldn't agree with influencing the grade for regular misbehaviors, but I think the grade is really not the important thing here.
     
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    Exactly. I was surprised he wasn’t expelled. I think they let him stay because he genuinely expressed remorse and swore up and down that I did look like his friend from behind, otherwise he wouldn’t have done it. Also, he was a first-time offender so they gave him some leeway.
     
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    I have mixed feelings on the matter. I agree grades and behavior should be seperate, but sometimes that's a practical impossibility. In reality, sometimes a zero is the natural result of not being there.
     
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    In my 6th grade math classes, I showed a BBC Documentary titled, "The Story of One." At 8:10, a woman is sitting on the ground making bread or dough. I hadn't watched it in its entirety so first period notices something and some snickering comes from a few girls. I saw what it was so when I showed it to other classes, I found a stopping point to pause and skipped over a few seconds after. Then I went to the AP told her what happened. She said not to worry and if any complaints come in, she would explain.
     
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    What was the problem with a woman making bread or dough?
     
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    I was gonna ask too but was afraid it was super obvious and I was missing it haha
     
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    Probably no underwear, but just a guess.
     
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    Nah, it was boobs. I just found the video on Youtube.
     
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    I just watched. That’s all they got from the fact that an isolated population of indigenous people managed to create and sustain a civilization without numbers. How wonderful...
     
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    Thanks for the update! I was too tired to go looking for the video.
     
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    Whether or not one agrees with a person's viewpoint (whether based upon religion or not) concerning nudity, it is the parent who must have the decision of what is right and appropriate for her/his child concerning sexuality. That seems to have been the problem with the teacher--his lack of action concerning his responsibility to the parents.

    I have dealt with parents who are extremely selective about what their children consume whether in pictorial or written form, and even to the diet of food, and I have others who seem to have no view that would require adjustment from the school's view point. In the same way we support students with different learning abilities, we need to support students who come from different learning tolerances. It is a matter of considering the parents and the manner in which they choose to raise their children, in my humble opinion.
     
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    When I have kids I’m planning to shield them from the existence of capital letters when raising them. I’m going to do this until they reach the age where they can understand such a notion as some letters are different than others.

    Please make sure to follow my viewpoint and adjust the school’s viewpoint. After all, In the same way we support students with different learning abilities, we need to support students who come from different learning tolerances. It is a matter of considering the parents and the manner in which they choose to raise their children.
     
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    You evil excuse for a human being -- I'm going to be shielding my children from the horrors of the lower case. Until high school, at least.

    ;)
     
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    Easy solution: homeschool
     
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    I suppose I interpreted the comment differently. Why should the school trump the parents?
     
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    What about the parents who teach their children, for example, that evolution is not real?
     
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    In that case, in HS, the science teacher states emphatically that you are free to believe what you want, but if you want to pass the state Biology Proficiency Exam, you will learn about evolution and why it is believed by most scientists as a highly credible theory, based on current collected scientific evidence. As an added bonus, in this class, the student will acquire the knowledge that will greatly increase the likelihood of raising their SAT score, which will impact college acceptance.

    Yes, I have given this speech, sigh.
     
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    I believe the science teacher is a blasphemer but I choose to love him/her anyway. I’m good like that.
     
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    :hugs:
     
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    Let me know when your child enrolls in my class and I'll be sure to load up on e e cummings. :) I honestly believe that parents should be given the final say on what is best for their child, whether I agree with it or not. The science answer by vickilyn was well spoken. They are the facts as it relates to test scores. Parents can respond accordingly to that information. If your capital letter free child comes to my class, I might give a similar answer that vickilyn provided, but I will leave the next step to your discretion. I will also ask you how you'd like me to handle the exit signs with your child as state law requires them to be visible and they are all capital letters. You are the parent, and I would be alerting you that I could not provide a completely capital letter free environment. I would also let you know that on tests and in assessments and in all writing, your child will have a lower grade without the ability to capitalize. You would decide what you needed to do with your child from there. We can all be tongue in cheek with dissimilar examples, but parents are responsible for the upbringing of their children. Most people would say that capital letters do not have so many other social factors connected to them in the same way nude pictures for 5th and 6th graders might have.

    The OP related to the response of the teacher. I reiterate that given the age of the students, the teacher merely needed to contact the parents and alert them that they may have an opportunity to discuss the event with their children (or not) as they see fit. This is my opinion. I was glad to read your opinion and appreciate your sense of humor.
     
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    I believe that this is a bust, although in every state its laws
     
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