Utah Teacher Fired After Showing Students Art

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    I can't (won't) comment on whether this should be career-ending or not; there are too many variables that I don't know. It is, however, just another reminder to never--ever--give any materials to your students that you have not thoroughly previewed yourself. You need to look at every picture, read every story and book, and watch every film clip and video through your teacher-lens.
     
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    My first thought was if this happened in a different state would the reaction have been different? I can’t see someone being fired for the same lesson in NJ, NY, CA, etc.

    Maybe I’m being naive. I think the parents would have reacted differently. It may have gone to the principal. Certainly not to the police.
     
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    I'm trying to think what kind of art I'd been exposed to in 5th and 6th grade. Maybe nude statues at the local art museum, but those visits would have been with my parents.

    While art history does involve nudity, and at some point students WILL be exposed to it, I can also understand why kids and parents would be uncomfortable with it. Calling it pornography is a little dramatic, and I'm not sure I agree with him losing his job. Heck, my 2nd grade boys last year were looking up worse things than that on their ipads. By 5th and 6th grade they've been exposed to nudity in some form - if only just in a growth and development/puberty talk context.

    The teacher should have checked more carefully and maybe even had someone else check as well for anything overly inappropriate, but firing him seems like an overreaction to me.
     
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    I agree. I once almost showed my class a fake Kahoot Math Trivia game. I’m glad that I had the foresight to screen it thoroughly first because this was the one and only question, and I’m being completely serious,

    “True or false: Morgan Freeman is made of chocolate.”

    There were three answers: Yes, Maybe, and No. I was completely bewildered when the “correct” answers were Yes and Maybe.

    That was completely weird and disturbing...
     
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    This is why I am glad I teach math. The closest thing to this that has ever come up in my class is plotting two circle graphs that happened to be side by side. That and of course always hearing some student snicker when 69 comes up as an answer.
     
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    Oh yeah, when we covered the unit on transformations in the coordinate plane, I came across a problem where we had to find the scale factor and the letter was “d.” And d just happened to be equal to 2, so it was an enlargement.

    Naturally, the students kept laughing and giggling because we found “the d” as they put it, and it “got bigger,” that is, the pre-image.

    I was mortified when I found out a minute later because I finally got fed up with all the laughing and asked what was so funny. I made a note to myself: Never use that letter in that unit when solving for the scale factor. Problem solved.

    Juveniles.
     
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    Personally I don't think it should, especially since the images were from the school library. If I were a concerned parent, I'd much rather those kind of materials were introduced in a structured setting by a teacher who can explain the context and meaning rather than just randomly found on the library (somehow, parents never see it as a plus that it's a teacher introducing, though, do they? Or perhaps many do, it's just the complaints that get the attention).
     
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    I’ve got one better. For net drawings of three dimensional figures, I have seen in multiple different books a problem where a cylinder’s net is drawn with the circular bases laying on either side of the same end of the long rectangular lateral face..... needless to say, I have never included that problem in my lesson.
     
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    End the career? I don't know. However, I do not feel that those particular images were appropriate for that age group. The fact that even one student commented on the image making her feel uncomfortable is telling. Certainly a teacher should consider the nature of the lesson and make sure that nothing is included that is questionable to students of any given age group. Perhaps if he felt obligated to include the nudes, he would send home head's up to parents with the option to opt out. I think this teacher's judgement should be questioned.
     
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    I've been a classroom teacher for 106 third graders and 59 fifth graders. Greece has been a part of the curriculum for all 165 of those students, and whenever possible, I like to incorporate independent research and exploration in my Social Studies instruction.

    With all that said, I'm reasonably sure that at some point during the study of Greece, each of those 165 students at some point saw a picture of a naked statue, because it just kind of is what it is. Whenever it comes up (and it always comes up), we have a quick discussion about how different countries have different views of things, some kid always throws out the factoid of how the first Olympic games were done fully nude, and we all move on with our lives.
     
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    o_O:eek:

    I’ve never seen the net drawn that way. It’s always been one circle on either end with one above and the other below the rectangle.
     
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    Ugh. This reminds me I'm starting trig graphs after break. Last year I had a girl who couldn't help but giggle every time I referred to the period of the function.
     
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    That’s incredibly stupid. I would greatly annoyed.
     
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    It's funny because she was a good kid, and did well in my class, but just couldn't help herself. And I couldn't get mad at her either.
     
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    If you're a teacher of middle school or high school students who genuinely doesn't have a naturally high tolerance for immaturity -- well, I hope you have good coping mechanisms.
     
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    I cope just fine, you just wouldn’t believe *some* of the things my students tell me. I think it is because I’m very young looking for a teacher — even though I’m 25 I look like I’m 16, students tell me things they normally don’t say around other teachers like really explicit sex jokes. Then, after they tell me I narrow my eyes and say, “You know I’m your teacher, right, and I don’t find that amusing?” That wipes the smile off their faces and then I just give them detention and write them up. I love writing students up. They deserve it.
     
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    I thought you were the guy who hated paperwork and hassle :p
    Writing kids up is something I only do on rare occasion (maybe 2-3 times a year---in fact so far this year I'm at 0), and it's only for serious offenses like cheating or blatantly cutting class.
    Admin doesn't need to be bothered over potty language.

    I also find that since I rarely do it, when I do, admin knows it's serious and follows up with actual consequences. I hear some teachers in my school complain that admin doesn't do anything when they write kids up, but that's because they're doing write-ups all the time.
     
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    What grade do you teach? I know I was a late bloomer, but I didn't even hear about the 69 reference until my mid20s. Kids know way too much, sadly
     
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    We have an electronic system at my high school so I just type in the student’s name and then create a log entry. Done in less than 5 minutes. Easy.

    My admin always follow up, no matter the number of entries you create. I write probably 5-10 a month, and those offenders use more than just “potty language.” For a simple expletive, I usually give students a verbal warning, but some students take it to another level and that’s just not acceptable.
     
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    This reminds me of the time I had a video cassette in the VCR ready to be shown to students after lunch. I started the video, and apparently, some of my students were using the VCR to watch porn during lunch hour. I turned the VCR on thinking that my video would start playing, when to my horror...
     
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    Oh my goodness! That would have made me very nervous had it happened to me.
     
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    Yep.. I have heard that textbook problems are farmed out to grad students, and grad students sometimes have a sense of humor.
    High school.
     
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    I do not think this should be career ending. In 5th grade students start sex ed where I live. While the pictures were not appropriate and it was a mistake that the teacher gave them to his students Children start learning about the body around this time.
     
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    Well, you'd just written about a story where you were "mortified" because some students were associating a variable with something else. So, I hope your chances to punish children for being excessively crude help with the stress of being subjected to sophomoric innuendo as well.
     
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    Now this is much more of a scandal that what was written in the article. I could definitely see some consequences for whoever was supposed to be supervising those kiddos.
     
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    Wow! I must either be really lucky to have such well-behaved kids, or I'm too nice. Having that many write0ups around here would probably get you in a little hot water for classroom management.
     
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    Your students are allowed access to the VCR during lunch, without supervision, which allows them to watch porn on school grounds unnoticed? That is not a system that I am familiar with, so maybe unique to your region.
     
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    They were probably supposed to be cleaning the room lol
     
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    I was going to suggest that perhaps that country tolerated sexual curiosity and freedom more than here in the US, but then he goes on to say "to my horror", so I'm guessing that's not the case.
     
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    I'm talking junior college, so they're basically adults. I should have known something was up by the eerie silence as I was pushing the play button.
     
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    Wait, you teach adults? I didn’t get that vibe in other posts.
     
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    I think his mistake was unintentional. Hopefully, it is not a career ending situation. As I consider being 5th or 6th grade (or my daughter at that age), I feel the nudes should have been left out of the pile. Parents should have been contacted directly from him. (A simple, today in class there were a couple of pictures that were shown to the class in error. I apologize for the error. I encouraged your child to discuss it with you. Although these cards were part of the school library, and the curriculum, I do apologize that they were included in today's lesson. ) Something like that should have been emailed before the students arrived home. Admin should have been contacted immediately and they could have reached out to all of the parents as well. I hope it works out for the teacher.
     
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    I started in junior high, then high school, and have been teaching college for twenty years now.
     
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    Explains a lot.
     
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    I don't know all the details here, but it can be an easy mistake. My kid got a children's book from the county library a couple months ago that included a picture of Aborigines and one little girl was naked. I had some explaining to do. It was a book about koalas. It wouldn't have dawned on me to check the content before handing it to a class. Koala book, kid's book, kid's section of library..... Thank goodness I can't get fired from motherhood so easily.
     
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