The Annoying Reality of Job Postings

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  1. giraffe326

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    I had a PD yesterday and I was the only person from my school, so I sat at the first empty seat that I saw. I was with a group of 5 ladies from a nearby district.
    Chatting with them throughout the day, I learned that they were going to have job postings soon. (I was like- Yay- I need a job since I quit mine.) Then I found out the truth. One of the ladies I was sitting with, as well as another teacher, were hired on one-year contracts. (One was hired over the weekend before the first day and the other was hired a few weeks into the year- both due to enrollment increases.) Both ladies have to reapply for their jobs.
    So, the two jobs that will be posted are not really openings. It is a formality for the two teachers to retain their positions.
    I've always known these situations exist, but I've never before had concrete confirmation of it. It is so annoying. The district, these two teachers, and job seekers should not be forced to waste their time and energy on a formality. Ridiculous.

    (And, yes, I am sure both will be rehired. The lady I spoke to has worked in the district for years in many roles- lunch lady, then secretary, then parapro, then part time reading specialist, and finally classroom teacher.)
     
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  3. bella84

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    I went through that process at my current job. What a waste of time and resources! Not only that, but it's extremely nerve-wracking going into an interview with a group of people you already work with and who you will continue to work with through the end of the school year, regardless of whether or not you are hired back for the next year.
     
  4. ktmiller222

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    School districts are required to post their positions even when they know who they are going to hire (i.e. a sub, student teachers, etc...) The last school I worked at, they were required to interview at least 3 people per position even when they know who they were going to hire beforehand. It sucks for us job seekers.
     
  5. giraffe326

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    But, if someone has been holding that position- even on a one year contract, they (district and teacher) should not have to do the whole hiring charade.
    There is a difference between knowing who you will hire (someone's child, a student teacher, a sub or para, etc...) and rehiring someone who has already been working in that position.
     
  6. kcjo13

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    I think it should be made clear on the job posting, making it easier for job seekers to decide if they want to fight for the job, or move on and not waste their time. What a time savings for the district as well, to not have to wade through 1,000 apps for a job they 99% know is going to the person who has had it.

    However, I do think that teacher should have to participate in the interviews in some way. Skip the question and answer and do the demo, or something. Like the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders do-the returning veterans only dance in the last round and the panel interviews, not the first few rounds. :lol:
     
  7. bella84

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    I see your point, but I'm not sure how practical it is to post something along the lines of "Your competition is a teacher who currently works here and is on a one-year contract. Good luck." I mean, I don't know what the district would even put in the job posting. The job isn't necessarily a one-year contract job NOW. It just happened to be one the last time someone applied for and got it, and now that same person is applying again.

    Also, I'm not sure that making someone do a demo lesson if they are currently working in the position makes sense. Why not just look at their actual classroom observations and evals? Presumably the principal has already been in to evaluate that person many times. In my current district, we don't do several rounds of interviews or demo lessons. So, I just had to go in for the same one-round panel interview that everyone else did. I got my job back, but I was really nervous going into it. It's very different interviewing with a table full of people you know than it is to interview with a group of strangers you may never see again.
     
  8. FarFromHome

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    When I was in Hawaii teachers were guaranteed at least 2 years when they got hired. The second year might not be at the same school, but you were guaranteed to be placed somewhere else if your school didn't have an opening. For your third year, it was required to post your position (it might have been posted the second year also, I can't remember right now). So you had to apply for your own job. I think most schools usually kept the teacher who was already there, unless there were problems.
     
  9. MsMar

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    My district starts off with internal postings. Only after they have gone through that round do they post it to the public. If someone is a long term sub they can apply with the internal postings. This makes a lot more sense than posting it to the world right away. I'm not sure if daily subs can apply as they are employed though the sub agency and not the district, so it would be a bummer for them to not get an early shot, but at least someone who has done the job for months, or possibly the whole year, can get their application in first. And then this way random applicant number 1,582 won't have to waste time applying for a position that's going to be going to a LTS.
     
  10. waterfall

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    In my area it's typical to see job postings that say, "A qualified candidate under a one year contract is currently being considered for this position." That means they have to post the position but they're basically saying the current teacher will be rehired, and most people know not to apply for those openings. For some reason our board makes us post positions if the teacher has worked less than one full year (mostly teachers hired after the start of the school year due to increased enrollment). We don't post positions for first year teachers who have worked the whole year.
     

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