tenure teacher and non-tenure teacher

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  1. megan

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    Hi, everyone,

    You will be a tenured teacher after 5 years teaching. So, if you are working in one district for a year, then another district for a few years. Can you add the years you teacher in different schools in order to get tenured?
     
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    I often find out on the appletrack it says the opening position is a tenure vacancy. What does that mean?
     
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    Here the tenure is granted after the first day of your fifth year in the same district.

    If you have tenure in one district, then go to a different district, the new district can offer tenure after the first year.

    Of course, all of that is going to vary by state.
     
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    It might vary by state or even by district. Here, you get a year toward the five for each previous district you had at least two consecutive years at.
     
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    Here, you get credit for some years of service in terms of pay, but NOT tenure. You'd need 4 or 5 years to gain tenure.
     
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    Not in Jersey. Depends on state.
     
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    This means it’s ‘tenure track’, not a sub or temporary position. It’s a position that could eventually lead to tenure.
     
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    And then there are the states that don't offer tenure at all. Virginia comes to mind, but I know that there are several states in that category.
     
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    In my state, tenure is granted after 3 consecutive full-time years in the same district. If tenure is gained and you seek employment in a new district, the clock resets.
     
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    We don’t have tenure at my private school. We are at-will employees; though, there is a clause in our contracts that says we can only be terminated for reasons that are explicitly outlined therein. For us, that means we have to be deemed incompetent by multiple administrators (you won’t be solely judged by the evaluations of a single admin) over an extended period of time, you receive consecutive poor evaluations, you regress after being put on an improvement plan, you habitually engage in dereliction of duties, and/or you do something egregious like physically abuse a child, engage in illicit drug use, you receive a felonious conviction, etc.

    This is my 5th year and I was recently renewed. I’m not worried as I don’t do any of the aforementioned things and so I’m safe. :D
     
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    Here your tenured after 2 years. If you struggle they might make it 3 , but they dont have too, and if you dont get tenure you are layed off
     
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    I like this model. IMO, only the teachers who pass muster should get tenure.
     
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    I can't imagine there is any state where it works like that. Here, we don't have tenure but do have a "non-probationary" status you can earn after three years of proficient evaluations. A few years ago they made some laws surrounding evaluations and as part of that deal, they said you could transfer your non-probationary status to another district. However, that doesn't really happen in practice. Almost all districts simply put a statement on their hiring page that says "All new hires will be placed on probationary contracts."

    I do know of one district that says they allow you to transfer your status, but it appears to be a long process- if you choose to go that route, HR has to review everything and you can't officially apply to positions during the 30 days that takes, so if you're looking at a specific job you'll lose it if you wait that long. I'd also have to assume that if a P has a choice between hiring someone willing to accept probationary status vs. someone that's non-probationary, most of the time they're going to take the probationary teacher.
     
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    Speaking of which, did you land any jobs yet? :)
     
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    Please keep up posted! Best of luck and happy job hunting!
     
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    8+ years is bad enough, but 15 years?! Why don’t they pack up shop and move elsewhere where they can acquire gainful employment? That makes absolutely no sense to me.
     
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    Okay, now I see where they’re and you’re coming from. Still, though. Having to sub for that length of time and making so little money would get to me.
     
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    Here you are tenured after your 2nd year. My understanding is that if you go to a new district, you start over.
     
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    Here you get continued contract ("tenure") when you are offered your 4th contract. Once you have this, you have 1 year probationary whenever you switch districts (provided it is all in public schools).
     
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    In the central Valley of California. Getting tenure after 2 years also has a downside. My principal explained that they need to make the big decision only at the second half of the 2nd year, and often it's hard to see if the person is struggling as most teachers and will be great or is struggling and will never get better. So sometimes they might not even make the right decision, they might let go of someone who just needed more time, or they give someone tenure who really didn't deserve it, The way she put it is that after that they have you for life, so it's a big decision.
     
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    So, in NJ, you have to work at same work for 5 year in order to get tenured?
     
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    Well, you have to work for 2 years to turn a provisional license into a standard certificate. It is my understanding that the provisional years don't count towards tenure, at least in the districts I am familiar with. The districts closest to me can offer tenure the beginning of year 4 teaching in the same district with your standard certificate. The provisional certificate time frame of two years is now mandated by the state. It used to be a year.

    Yes, if you leave one district for a job elsewhere, the requirements start all over on the permanent certificate teaching to acquire tenure in the new district. I have not heard of another district honoring another district's offer of tenure. Since it is much harder to get rid of a teacher with tenure, why would they just jump right in and say if you were tenured once that they should just follow suit? I can think of teachers who have slumped over the years, not improved. Why reward that if you don't have to? Tenure, where offered, is something to work hard to earn. I don't believe it should be a freebie without proof of excellence. Just my opinion, of course.
     
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    4 years
     
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    At your district, do they consider the provisional certificate years towards tenure? I know that near my home that came up at a BOE meeting, which drew a lot of discussion. Provisional certificate years were excluded.
     
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    I got tenure after 3 months. Where I live, if there is a tenured job available you can apply. So some people it takes 10 years (or never), others get it pretty quickly.
     
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    3 months?! Wow.
     
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    I don’t think my current supe hires provisional cert teachers on tenure track.
     
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