teacher with a possibly phony degree

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  1. mikemack42

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    I have an ethical question. I saw an email saying a teacher got a master's from Atlantic International University. That sounded strange to me because the teacher doesn't speak English, but the university sounds like it teaches in English. Anyway, I looked it up and it looks pretty shady. Google autocomplete comes up with "atlantic international university diploma mill" when you start to search for it. Do you think I should say anything to HR?

    I guess ultimately I don't care if she gets paid a bit more for a phony degree, but I don't like the idea of a teacher holding up a phony degree. What do you think?
     
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    I would report it. It's not only unethical, but it is illegal by law.
     
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    what would you tell a student who came to you and said that they know someone who has a fake id?

    idk if thats the best analogy but i tried! anyway, i would probably report it, i agree with pp and its fraud
     
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    Just to give a little more context, if I did report it and she got fired, I would seem to have alterior motives. I work with her on service projects in school, and she has a position in the school service program that I'm next in line to have if she was to leave the school or was fired. I'd actually prefer to stay in my current service program position instead of taking her job, but I'd be more or less obligated to replace her. Throw in the fact that she's a local (I teach overseas) and I'm a foreigner, which is always a sensitive issue because we get paid more, and it becomes very complicated. Would you still say I should report it?
     
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    I'd still report it, you could always do it anonymously. Are you certain it really is a diploma mill or is it just a crappy school? If it's accredited, it's accredited.
     
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    From the website of AIU itself:

    http://www.aiu.edu/accreditation.html
    "AIU's Distance Learning Programs are unique, non-traditional and not accredited by the U.S. Department of Education."
     
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    It's not an accredited school, but doesn't mean it is a phony diploma. Just a diploma from a non-accredited school.

    IMO, I'd stay out of it.
     
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    I agree with Opal.
     
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    But doesn't ignoring make me less credible when I want to emphasize academic honesty to my students? Read this comment about AIU: "Atlantic International University play quite a clever trick by claiming, truthfully, to be an accredited university. HOWEVER when you dig deeper you discover that this is a trick. In the small print they concede that they are “not accredited by the U.S. Department of Education”. They are, in fact, accredited by the “Accrediting Commission International (ACI)”. This is a fake accreditation body that even AIU confess is also “not regulated or approved by the US Department of Education”. They’re a fake university accredited by a fake accreditation body.
    Their web site is full of curious things. For instance the profiles of some of their senior staff appear to be false and others can’t be traced at all. Some of them seem to have awarded themselves their only qualifications from their own non-accredited university." http://www.thevoicebw.com/2011/03/18/dear-consumer’s-voice-3/
     
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    There's also the fact that she speaks literally no English, and their website doesn't have a Spanish option. How could she have possibly got a degree from there?
     
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    If you're teaching overseas, why does it matter if her university isn't accredited by the US Department of Education?
     
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    It's not just the accreditation issue; it's the fact that she might have just bought it, or had someone do it for her. Again, she speaks no English, and the university doesn't appear to offer any programs in Spanish.

    Our HR dept doesn't speak much English, so maybe they couldn't check out AIU.
     
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    I think you should stay out of it. To me, this qualifies as a "nunya" situation.
     
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    But isn't it my responsibility to stand for academic honesty? It's the HR's dept job to investigate these things, but remember they don't speak much English, and there doesn't appear to be much investigating you can do about AIU without English.
     
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    If you were in the US I would say that yes, you do have a responsibilty to report her; however, since you're in Colombia I wouldn't worry about it.
     
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    Why would standards that apply in the US not apply in Colombia?
     
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    I have no problem with my own credentials being investigated, because they are authentic. I have legitimate reason to think our administration could not investigate this university properly- HR speaks little English, and you need English to be able investigate AIU (and to study there, I think).
     
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    I don't know what the standards are for Colombia, but Colombia does not have English as its national language so it shouldn't matter that she doesn't speak English well. Maybe she did have a translator to help her with the English.
     
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    It's not that she doesn't speak it well; she doesn't speak it period. Not anymore than "Hello" and "Thank you". She would've needed someone to do the work for her if it was in English.
     
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    She could still do the work as long as she had someone translate the assignments for her.
     
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    Let's say that she did have someone translate every reading and everything she wrote (which seems unlikely, and probably very expensive- translating academic English to Spanish, and viceversa, requires a professional translator). Even in that case, part of what the degree symbolizes is that you can do academic work in English, which would not be true in this case.
     
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    Really? Where does it say that?
     
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    You saw an email? Was it addressed to you? Was it on your computer? Should you have been seeing it?

    I see multiple issues here.
     
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    They send these emails to the whole staff whenever anyone gets a degree.
     
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    That says they "will" offer courses in Spanish. It doesn't say they do.

    Remember, there doesn't appear to even be a Spanish option on the website.
     
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    I am sure HR checked it out. If not, they will find it on their own when credentialing comes into play.
     
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    Please see my previous posts about our HR dept, and then tell me if you're still so sure.
     
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    Did you click on the link above? The whole site is available in Spanish, presumably for international students.

    I really think that you lack enough information to make any sort of determination about your colleague's academic honesty/dishonesty. Stay out of this.
     
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    Oh crap, you're right. Sorry I missed that.

    I'll leave it alone then, but AIU does look pretty shady.
     
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    If your HR dept. can't read enough English to figure out that her degree was or was not legit, then how did they know what the actual degree itself said?

    I think you are underestimating that dept, and sticking your nose in somewhere it doesn't belong.
     
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    The degree must be in Spanish.
     
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    HR should be good enough to catch it. If not, they aren't doing their job. I don't think you should worry about it. If you are dead set on persuing this, I would maybe send an anonymous note in case someone tries to seek retribution.
     
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    I'm not going to pursue this. If it appeared to be blatant fraud, then I would speak to her directly. But it's not clear that it is fraud, so I'm going to leave it alone. Thanks.
     
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    Good idea!
     
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    Btw...it's ulterior motive. Might have been a typo, but I do hear people say 'all-terior'.
     

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