teacher insight test

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  1. abk327

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    Has anyone ever taken one of these? two of the schools i am applying to require you to take them...one on the phone one on the computer. I have heard only bad things about these. What makes it hard? what types of questions are asked?
     
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    I've taken two before and done extremely well both times....don't sweat it! Are the people telling you it's hard because it was hard for them or do they think you will have difficulty? The questions really just test your professionalism in various situations as well as your understanding of "common sense" judgement situations involving the job. As long as you were well
    prepared to teach and you feel confident in your
    abilities as a teacher, you should be fine. People do well on this insight test all the time....why shouln't you? Trust me...if you don't do well on it, you wouldn't have been a good fit for their school system anyway so it saves you the trouble of accepting a job that wasn't right for you. Remember, you want to work for a school district that you want to be at not just some school that will give you a job! You'll be fine!!!
     
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    ABK327

    I took this last year before I could be accepted into my certification program. Mine was computer based and I remember mine being all multiple choice and the answers on a scale like strongly disagree to strongly agree or something like never to always.I remember it being long and I think you only had like a minute to answer each one so you want to make sure you are not interrupted. That was not a problem but I day dreamed on one and missed answering it. ANYWAY......

    A lot of my questions were similar- almost like they were trying to see how truthfully or consistently I was answering them. If you've ever taken one of those personality tests, it was like that. A few examples

    I think it is very important to have humor in every lesson.

    then later it might ask something similar like...

    I try to incorporate humor whenever possible.



    I think it is important for my student to know me personally,

    then later I got things like this

    I see no problem with my students knowing whether I am sad or happy.


    Sometimes I let my students know what problems I am having outside of school so they know I am human too.




    When I compare myself to other teachers I am
    much worse to much better spectrum

    I never put any extreme unless it was very obvious that I knew what they were looking for...Like "some kids will just never get it so at times you have to just quit trying"

    Oh and then there were some that dealt with honesty and bending rules....

    I don't remember anything that was specifically related to content. It was really more of a personality type thing. It wasn't hard at all it was just that I wanted to say "yes but" on a lot of them.

    Hope this helps in some small way.
     
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    Good memory! It WAS exactly like that....needless to say....it wasn't memorable for me so I must not have stressed it much. It did ask the same questions repeatedly and worded differently and the scale was strange to get used to but it WAS just like lemonhead said! Good Job!!
     
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    LOL Zoe

    I really have a bad memory but for some reason those questions just stuck out.

    Now, if I sould just remember what I did with that Kohl's gift card I got for Christmas!
     
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    so pretty much you aren't trying to say what you think is right...you are saying what you think "highly effective" teachers say...they sound terrible...the questions you gave examples for make me confused...I think you should try to incorporate humor into your lessons, but not all the time...it is not necessary...so what answer are they looking for and I talk with my kids about my life...but not everything I am sad about...I would hate to not get an interview because of a test
     
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    It happened to me. I thought I had a job until I took the stupid test. I felt like many of the questions needed clarification. I have taught many kids over the years, but because of the test I wasn't considered a highly effective teacher. I took another one the other day and answered the way I thought the school district might want me to answer. I haven't heard yet how I did. One teacher said she took it several times and sometimes she passed and sometimes she didn't.
    A link that helped me was:http://www.careercenter.ilstu.edu/downloads/pdfs/TeacherInsightBehavioralInterviewThemes.pdf
    Someone previously on the forum said to answer with Strongly agree or strongly disagree. And remember it is all about the kids.
     
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    Of course, you never know your results.

    One school I was interested in didn't interview me for one social studies position but did offer to interview for an adult ed position, so I suppose I didn't do terribly or they would not have considered interviewing me for anything.

    But, I despise the Teacher Insight.

    I have an excellent teacher philosophy, but being a person who thought the "well sometimes that would be okay"...humor etc....when doing the test I just don't know how well I did.

    I made sure I did not put the middle on anything and had a clear opinion..lots of strongly agrees and disagrees etc.
     
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    And then I did the opposite --never strong one way or the other unless obvious answer. I was afraid I would look opinionated or unfleixble.

    I did get accepted into my teaching program but that is not a JOB!

    I'm going to see if I can find more info out...stay tuned
     
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    ABK327- please dont stress about it. You are exactly right-it IS what high quality teachers do. It's all about the kids, being in it for the long haul and doing what it takes.

    Here's a little that might help and use that link above...I think it lists the 10 or 12 areas that are key. (My adobe reader so I can't check it)

    The polling organization's open-ended and multiple-choice questions are designed to determine whether teaching applicants have such qualities as a sense of mission, empathy, innovation, focus and the ability to develop good rapport with students.

    To test an applicant's sense of mission, for example, one Teacher Insight question is: "Why did you want to become a teacher?"
    To explore an applicant's empathy, the program includes situations like this one:
    "After school, you come across a student whom you know who is crying. He's 16 years old. You ask him what is the matter, and he says he was caught cheating. What would you do?"
    (I remember this one- the answers were like 1) tell him stealing is wrong 2) call his parents 3) remind him he is a good kid that made a bad choice and something else)

    How TeacherInsight works:
    1. Candidates answer multiple-choice and open-ended questions online using a 5-point Likert scale.
    Questions focus on three areas:
    • Teaching philosophy - To what extent is there a mission to teach, to what extent is teaching not a job,
    but a mission, a calling?
    • Relationships - How does the candidate create relationships with colleagues, students and parents?
    • Instructional approaches - Does the candidate see a class or a group of individuals?

    2. Candidates’ answers are compared to Gallup’s pool of 400 high-quality teachers, identified nationally by teachers, principals and parents and a percentile ranking (0-99) is calculated based on his/her predicted potential for teaching success.

    3. Candidates’ scores are reported directly to the district’s central office databases where they are available to principals and Employee Services staff, but not to candidates or anyone else in the district.
     
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    My advice is if you really really really want to work for the district requiring the teacher insight test, give the answers you know they want to hear.........I think you do need to demonstrate strength and a bit of idealism...let's face it...we all know that in the real world of teaching, things happen differently but this test is like a college class in the college of education...deteached and idealistic. Play the game if you really really want the job. Before you take the district's test though, make sure to research the district and find out what their mission is. Find out a little about their best teachers and schools. What kind of people do they hire? What are their beliefs? See if the district has a web site. Visit the school, find out what you need to answer the questions in the way that will get you the job.
     
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    It's so funny that you say that because today I was listening to our student intern's teacher comment on her lesson. Everything she made criticisms about was idealistic and textbook perfect. I kept thinking the whole time, "she doesn't know the kids."
     
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    Thanks For The Info And Link

    I am changing careers into teaching and after completing an application this evening was directed to the TeacherInsight test. I assumed it was a sort of personality or character test but wanted to research it before I activated the testing. This was the first link I came upon when I searched for information and has been most helpful.
     
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    I'm in the process of taking the TEacher Insight & found this thread most helpful. Thanks for all the great info!
     
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    I had to take it as part of the online application process. I have no idea how I did, as they don't provide results. Also, for each county application, the results(whatever they are) are just transferred over to each application. So, I don't retake the test. Furthermore, I can only take the test once every two years. So, if I didn't do well I guess I'm up the creek for two years. Yippeeee...
     
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    One thing I noticed while taking the test is when you lean all the way to the right or the left of an issue, the same question shows up again later, just reworded. Also, if you answer in a way "they"
    (the computer program has been created by a person) think is too good to be true, the question shows up again, reworded. They do try to trip you up and see if you really meant what you said so be careful of contradicting yourself. That would not be good.
     
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    These tests always confuse me. By the time I get to the end of it and have had the same question asked, just worded differently, I forget how I answered it the first time.

    I'd love to hear what someone from a hiring panel would have to say about these tests.
     
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    "56. Do you seek private moments with your students? Yes, they need that time"

    I hate this question because I'm never sure what they mean. Are they looking for inappropriate behavior, or caring and connection with your students? Might be harder for me because I'm a male. I just don't know.
     
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    Incidentally, I hate these things, too. Just because you can't pass it doesn't mean you aren't a good teacher. I think districts have missed out on good teachers because of this test. I know for a fact that they've hired some flakes who did pass the test. I saw them when I working in public schools for ten years.
     
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    Not too good....

    Well, I don't think I did very well on that test b/c I haven't heard back from the school district who wanted me to take the test in the first place.

    Man! I just don't get this test! On most of the questions, I didn't agree with any of their answers. I just had to quickly choose one of them before the question was gone (they disappear & the next question pops up after the alloted amount of time).

    What ever happened to reading resumes and letters of recommendation and interviewing people in person? I have glowing letters of recommendation and 11 years of teaching experience in a private school, but I can't seem to get a job in a public school.

    I'm a good teacher, but I don't know if I'll ever get the chance to prove myself....

    It's so sad!
     
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    I think that's the point - since everything happens in a split second in the classroom, how are YOU going to react in a time constraint? i don't like the test anymore than anyone else (I *really* want to know how I did), but I understand their reasoning behind it.
     
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    The key to thing is to always be child-centered and like one of those "TV teachers." You know the ones that have no lives outside education, work three jobs, etc. I've taken it three times now. When I took it with that mentality I started getting interviews in that district.
     
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    How do you know you did well (not that you didn't :) )? No one will ever give me feedback on the test, which I find VERY irritating. Who did you call for feedback? Thanks!:)

     
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    What is this test???? And what does it have to do with getting a job??? Is this a test only in certain states???
     
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    INteacher-

    It's a bit like a "personality" test (see p. 2 for the actual questions) "Do you use humor in the classroom?" that many districts in many states use to weed out candidates. For some of the districts/tests, you get to take it once a year. For some, you only get to take it once every two years. They never tell you how you did. They use it instead of an interview/pre-screening interview in many districts. (So if you do well, you will get called by building principals for school interviews instead of the district level interview. If you don't do well, forget about getting hired in that district, for this year at least...)

    I did really well on it my first year taking it (for the past school year.) I had a lot of interviews. I did not do so well this year actually, I think because I spent so much time trying to remember how I answered last year instead of what I thought the best answer was...it messed me up, I think. (I didn't have nearly as many interviews this year, so at least I'm guessing I didn't do as well.) Luckily, I managed to get a job in a district that doesn't use it. But it's pretty widespread across the US. I'm sure more districts/states use it more heavily than others...
     
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    Thanks AMB - I had never heard of this test before.
     
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    Go take it again. They allow you to do that.... I would resubmit it, if you feel like you did poorly. The major reason they give that test is to make sure your personality is not that of a person that should not be around people or small children. Perhaps you just psyched yourself out.:hugs: Do it again and feel better!:)
     
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    I took this test yesterday after receiving an email from our new Superintendent that it had to be taken before being put on a list of hirees. I was RIFed last year due to nontenure status and of course the usual "no money" problems of education. Well, I have already been through 8 interviews before taking this test. Now I have to wait and see if I "pass" this very unscientific test? You know it is time to unite as teachers and say enough. I have a Master's Degree, 14 yrs. in early childhood teaching, 2 yeaers in kindegarten, highly qualified and 164 PRAXIS yet my employability is determined by this test? Sounds illegal to me. If anyone would like to join up and find a way to fight this, please email me at deda45@knology.net. I'm hopping mad that this is what the field of education has come to. Please let's unite.
     
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    Thinking about this again as I have to take it soon. I'm just going to try to be honest, child centered, and not overthink things.

    I remember being given the Teacher Perceiver, very similar to this, by an HR person who asked the questions. I liked that I was able to qualify my answers. No chance to do that on line.
     
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    Thanks

    First of all, :thanks: I really appreciate you listing the actual ?s. I was wondering if you've heard back from the district you were applying with? I've taken it once and my score wasn't satisfactory for that district and I'm about to retake it...ugh!
     
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    I am posting a bit late on this topic but just wanted to have some input! I guess it depends on the district but this test should not be that hard. I do not think it directly relates to teaching so much as the state testing. I took an identical test for my current "Corporate America" job. It's all about interaction, how do you get your motivation, how do you motivate, how do you handle situations, etc. There are no right or wrong answers, only a compilation of answers that provide a "profile" to the district/hiring manager. It's like they are looking for people who fall within the guidelines of personalities a and b. Personalities c and beyond are not compatible with their districts. It does not reflect on your ability to be hired by another district. As mentioned before, should you choose, you can always manipulate the test:)

    I have taken 3 for three different DFW districts and they didn't really tell me that I passed or failed until I started filling out specific applications and I was given a notice that I have completed the survey and it would be sent with my application. I have not really had any district reject my application thus far. Anyway, hope this helps/calms some fears! Good luck!
     
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    I didn't take a TEST like this... but some districts here will put a personality profiler quiz in their application...and it is shared with other schools that use the same quiz. Your answers last for two years (hope mine were good - you aren't told. It just says "thank you"). You can't go back and re-do them.

    I also had a screening interview that was somewhat like this and passed it quite well. SITUATIONAL questions/interviews I soar through...it's the interviews where they are asking you questions like a college exam that make me nervous.
     
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    good advice ... at least, I think it is

     
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    Oh no! This worries me. I was reading through your answers and I would legitimately answer almost exactly as you did...have you still not heard anything back? I'm hoping you started to get some interviews shortly after you posted this!
     
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    The districts do not tell you how you did. If they do, it would be the first time I have heard of this. I know you may not think it is difficult but my principal told me it cuts the number of qualified persons by 2/3rds. The district does not alert the person that they did not "pass" because they say there are no right or wrong answers. But I know in the DFW area if you do not pass, you do not get called to interview. At least that is what my assistant p told me. :)
     
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    Hi everyone, please refrain from posting actual test questions. I received this email today:
     
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    Since the Teacher Insight test was created by Gallup, I researched all the Gallup articles about 'effective teachers.' I also researched how to take one of these tests. First rule is to pick extremes. Choose answers with always or never, extremely agree or extremely disagree. Everything is black and white, no grey. Stay away from answers with the words sometimes, neutral, or somewhat. If you are asked if you are honest. Your answer will be "yes, I am always honest." DON'T be humble. You are the best and brightest of the best and brightest. Everyone asks you for help. You are efficient. You are the hardest worker you know. Your work so hard that people say, "you work to much." You are a leader. You are perfect. Yes, you want kids to like you. Yes, respect is earned. Any answer with the word "grow" is correct. You want to see a student grow or progress. Always choose the answer about teamwork and being part of a team and helping others. Also, everything is about putting the student first. You will always meet the needs of the individual instead of the lesson or curriculum. It's all about the student. This is just my opinion from my research. Good Luck!
     
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    Ugh.

    This screener frustrates me. If the extremes are the choices that supposedly get a 'passing' grade on these exams and allow applications/resumes to be looked at by a human being then I'm not ever going to get hired.

    To answer the extreme yes or no on each question isn't honest. I'm not the "happiest" person I know. I do take student's scores personally but I don't dwell on them--of course I feel badly if my students did poorly on an exam and the first thing I do is reflect on them. I look for a pattern, a determining factor. That way, I am able to decide the best way to proceed. My energy level? I don't know if it energizes others. I would like to think I don't make students nervous as I've never had any indication that I do. I definitely don't know if my students work harder for me than they do for other teachers. I'd like to believe they work hard for everyone because they're good students. UGH!!!:2cents:
     
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    Two things about this test that aggravate me so completely:
    1) Lack of immediate feedback and suggested areas of improvement. Don't tell me I failed without telling me what area(s) I need to work on.

    2) How can a test be a definitive, conclusive summary of who I am as a person or a teacher? How can a personality test be a career-ender for so many impassioned educators? No test can tell me that I am not empathetic, passionate or innovative. I know I am with every fiber of my being. For a test to know what I am like, it would need to become sentient and observe me in the classroom.

    Imagine if a teacher told a student, "Sorry, your personality failed to meet the pre-screening requirements for me to teach you. Try again next year."

    Shouldn't this test should be given BEFORE any teacher invests years of her life and thousands of dollars training, learning, planning, failing, crying, rebuilding, growing and mastering herself in pursuit of her dream?

    Our complaints do not remedy this situation. Protests, actions, lawsuits might.
     
  41. BevInTX

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    I know this is an old thread but I'm a former teacher trying to return to the classroom after 15 years of raising children and I've been hit with TeacherInsight assessment by every school district within driving distance of my home.

    I taught high school math and science for 12 years - quite successfully! - before leaving the classroom to stay home with new-born twins. The twins are in high school now and their youngest brother just started first-grade. I'm eager to return to teaching so applied for open positions at all of the high schools within driving distance of my home. There were something like twenty math or science openings at eight high schools in four different school districts within a forty-five minute drive from my home.

    Despite being certified in secondary math, chemistry, physics, physical science and secondary composite science (all subjects for which qualified teachers are chronically lacking); despite having a masters degree in education, despite my twelve years of teaching experience during which I received multiple teaching awards and designed and piloted a highly successful AP program; despite excellent references; and despite the fact that over the past fifteen years I have successfully tutored several dozen local high school kids (including the son of the superintendent of schools for my local school district) I was not offered a single position!

    Two of the districts at which I applied required one to take the TI at the time one submitted one's application. I did not even get an interview at those schools. At the other two districts (including my home district), I was Interviewed and the interviews went great. I was THEN told that I needed to take this "teacher insight" test before they could actually hire me. As soon as I did, that was the end of the road. I almost immediately got nice emails saying that they had decided to hire other applicants! A friend (one of my daughter's teachers) told me this week that the reason I didn't get hired was because of my Teacher Insight scores!

    It never occurred to me that that test could be THAT important since it was so obviously flawed from the get-go. My lawyer husband would have immediately objected to practically every question as "equivocal" meaning that it could equally well be understood in two or more distinct ways leading to two very different "truthful" answers. The answer one gives depends on just how the question happens to strike the listener at the moment. Lawyers LOVE asking their opponents equivocal questions so that they can trip them up later! Thus, a big part of advising a client during a deposition is objecting to equivocal questions and forcing the other lawyer to rephrase his questions so that they are UNequivocal.

    I'd guess that the less one actually knows about the real world of teaching and about kids, the more likely one would be to consistently pick the "right" answer on the Teacher Insight! Greater knowledge and experience probably lead one to see the multiple possible meanings of the questions and therefore make it harder to pick a "truthful" answer - much less the "right" one!

    I have no doubt that I answered some supposedly identical queries that were worded slightly differently in opposite ways... simply because the question struck me differently the second time I saw it than it did the first. And, in some cases, the both ways of looking at the question were instantly and equally apparent to me - basically forcing me to blindly choose between "equally false/equally true" responses. Obviously, I did not answer the questions "right" even tho Gallup claims there are no right/wrong answers.

    Since I have a husband and five kids, I don't exactly have the option of moving off somewhere else to apply and I'm probably locked out of teaching at any of my local districts for the foreseeable future. Who knows how long they keep one's old scores? If/when I get another chance, I'm thinking about having my nine-year old do the test for me! She reads well but is naive enough to probably glom onto the "right" answers quickly and easily. LOL!

    Finally a little internet research pulled up the following study showing that the Teacher Insight test does NOT predict whether a teacher will or will not be effective...at least according to data compiled in my state using state mandated assessments of student achievement:

    https(colon)//digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc9835/m2/1/high_res_d/dissertation (dot)pdf

    So, why are districts still using this thing????
     

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