Tardiness

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  1. LindsayRose

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    My school "begins" at 8am. The students can start coming in at 7:45am. By 8:01 you are late. By 8:03 the pledge/announcements are over and we are ready for our 1st class.

    We do have bus kiddos, however, many of the students walk or get driven to school.

    This past year, I had a few problems where kids would show up at 8am, or 8:01 and have 3 minutes to get unpacked, begin/complete morning work, and be ready for our 1st class. Since it was my first year, I kind of dealt with it as it came b/c I wasn't sure what to do. (We do not have an "attendance office", so teachers hand out absent/late slips to get signed and returned) I am going to address this issue with parents at Back to School Night in September. But that always does not work. :help:

    NOW TO THE POINT OF MY QUESTION ;) .... I know the 4th grade teachers last year had some real issues where there was a select few kids who were CONSTANTLY late, some even showing up at 8:30. :eek: Mom would say they didn't have a ride, why didn't she take the bus, you ask? I don't know. But anyhoo........

    How do YOU handle tardy kids? I'm talking about the kids who are late because of laziness, or b/c they just don't care......Take away recess? Extra assignments? What's fair and what works?? At my school this issue in dealt by the teacher so I need to advice as to what is fair.

    THANKS!! :p
     
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  3. swansong1

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    Unfortunately, part of the problem lies with the parents...and you can't take away their recess! What I have done in the past with some of the tardy students is to try to offer really fun activities first thing in the morning to the children who are there on time. The tardy ones don't get to participate when they come in and if they miss it completely, the other children make sure they know what they missed! The idea is to get the tardy students interested in getting to school on time because they don't want to miss something fun (the fun thing is academically relevant). In turn, those students, hopefully, complain to the parents about what they are missing to encourage the parents to get them to school on time.
     
  4. KinderCowgirl

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    I was going to say the same thing. Unless the kids are at the school wandering the halls instead of going to class-it's not their fault when the transportation gets them there.

    My P once talked about holding a tardy detention...for the parents! :p How many times do you think they'd be late if they had to give up their own time. It's a real problem at our school and it's going to be worse for us next year because we're under construction. I'd take 8:01-I had kids consistently 20-45 minutes late. One thing I did was had a reward chart and put stickers on the names of the kids who were there by the bell-that worked for awhile. I also add up how many minutes altogether the child missed on progress reports-15 minutes a day doesn't sound bad until you see that in 9 weeks it added up to 600 minutes of school missed. :eek:
     
  5. giraffe326

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    At my school, once a child hits 20 tardies, they have a 30 minute detention for every tardy after that- held the same day after school. This serves 2 purposes- 1. Make up the lost instructional time and 2. Inconvenience the parents with the hopes that the tardy problem will go away.
     
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    At my school students receive detention for the 2nd and subsequent tardies in the same week. They have to spend the amount of time they were late performing community service. If tardiness continues to be a problem, the parents are called in to speak with the director.
     
  7. monsieurteacher

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    I don't understand the idea of punishing a child for tardiness in elementary school. I would think a meeting with the parent should be required. The child didn't get to pick his/her parents.
     
  8. Lynnnn725

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    Tardiness means nothing at my school. Used to be that 3 tardies equals an absence. But not anymore. I stress at parent night that we start at the bell - our days are packed. I like the idea of putting how many minutes missed!
     
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    But sometimes those meetings do not solve anything.
    I have a student who was tardy over 50 times this past school year (I can't remember the exact number). Plus absent another 20. I began with math last year. She missed at least part of math class over 70 times!!!! My principal went as far as buying them an alarm clock to remedy the problem. Intervention specialists went to the house for visits. When speaking with the guidance counselor, it was revealed that the student was up and ready but was unable to wake the mother up. So, social services was called for neglect. NOTHING ever happened!!!!!!! The child was kept after school because she was so far behind academically (at the beginning of the year- you can only imagine how far behind she was at the end of the year). In 4th grade, they had their 'specials' first thing, so it was not as big of an issue academically.
    Sometimes, there is simply no choice but to hold them after for the sake of their education. She did school work when she was held after in an effort to catch her up.
     
  10. shasha379

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    I totally agree. Usually it is not the student's fault. He/she cannot drive themselves to school. I have the same problem though. I have not found a solution that seems fair.
     
  11. TeacherApr

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    My entire class was ALWAYS tardy this past year it seemed. However, I had a child who was habitually late. After so many, the cops were called. The cops ended up visiting the home of the child and speaking to the mother. A few months later, they moved...hmm, coincidence? lol

    Anyway, we have a law in our area where if you are late too often it's considered truancy. Do you have something like that in your area?
     
  12. LindsayRose

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    To be honest TeacherAPR, I work in a private school and my "administration" is not very good at dealing with discipline, tardiness, things of that nature. So that is why I said it is basically in our hands. Unless something dangerous or parents call and complain then my principal will step in. It is VERY frustrating. There is not really a "detention" or punishment of that sort in place. I believe I would have to get an "OK" to have detention with my own kids.

    With that being said, based on the handbook, after 27 absences retention is a possibility. I think I might just try either A.) doing something fun so the kids will get upset for missing out B.) meeting with the parents or C.) having them stay after school to make up work. I definitely also like the idea of on progress reports writing how many minutes the kids have missed.

    Tardiness is one of my BIGGEST PET PEEVES. It is SO disruptive in so many ways! UGH! Parents need to get their acts together.
     
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    We had a "Look Who Popped In" message on the classroom doors with a cut out of a balloon (or popcorn or what ever) for each child. The name got taken down after a tardy or absence. At the end of the month, all the ones who were still out there met in the hallway for a quick treat. They didn't know what they would get. The ones who were tardy or absent were in the classroom just watching the others enjoy themselves for about 5 minutes. It seemed to work. You wouldn't have to make it be a whole month. You could adjust it so that students who were genuinely sick wouldn't have their names taken down.

    We gave them things like:
    a popsicle
    a poptart (We brought some toasters and they took turns
    toasting them during first period)
    they got to blow up and pop a brown lunch bag once
    Pop rocks (I love those things)
    Lollipop
    Blowpop
    a popper (those things from Oriental Trading that you push down
    and they pop back up)
    a pop star sing-a-long (a CD of a song they all knew and they
    sang along to it.

    I can't remember the rest. Anyway, it was a silly moment to start the day. We didn't punish the other kids, and we told them that we were sure they'd get to join in next month. Anyway, it seemed to work. The whole school did something like that for two years, and then everyone just stopped. It just didn't seem to be an issue anymore. Tardiness and lots of absences were like a bad habit at the school, and now it isn't. We just have a few parents and kids that don't seem to care.

    I like the idea of the minutes. If I have another chronic one next year, I'll do that.
     
  14. JustMe

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    I think that for the most part, elementary students who are tardy are not tardy because of their laziness. It's a parental issue. But it kills me, too.
     
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    I had a student last year who was tardy 48 times and absent 21 days.
    Is it any wonder she was struggling?
    That is a total of 69 days that she missed all or part of math in the morning!

    Or what about the other student, with 38 tardies and 15 absences? That is 53 days he didn't get all of his SPED pull out time (which was first thing in the morning...)

    And I always found it funny that the same kids that were late every single day got picked up late every single day. Maybe I should have gone down and taught my first lesson of the day again in the pick up area!
     
  16. Hoot Owl

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    I had this kid's sibling!!!! She drove me crazy all year. I'd always give my spelling test on Thursdays and she'd miss the entire thing, since her tardiness was always unexcused she made F's in the subject. It really didn't make any difference to the parents though. :(
     
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    The crazy thing was, the Dad flat out told me - "I'm dropping the kids off on time. If she's tardy, then she is hiding somewhere."
    (a total LIE)

    So I acted very concerned - "Oh, my! Well, that is very concerning, because today she was 20 minutes late. So are you thinking that she was unsupervised for 20 minutes?"

    "Oh, no, today we overslept"

    "Yesterday she was 15 minutes late. That is still a long time for her to be hiding and not noticed?!"

    "No, we were late yesterday too."

    So, I went on like that for a while, until he finally admitted that they really were tardy every day!
     

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