States that require the pledge

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  1. bandnerdtx

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    This post has been making the rounds on the walls of my Facebook "friends":

    I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER *GOD*, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL!

    MY GENERATION GREW UP RECITING THIS EVERY MORNING IN SCHOOL WITH MY HAND ON MY HEART. THEY NO LONGER DO THAT FOR FEAR OF OFFENDING SOMEONE!

    LET'S SEE HOW MANY AMERICANS WILL RE-POST THIS AND NOT CARE ABOUT OFFENDING SOMEONE.


    Now, this is not the case in Texas. According to our state law, every public school must lead the students in reciting the US pledge, the Texas pledge (which had "under God" added to it in 2007) and have a moment of silence each day. Of course, students are NOT required to say it, but the school officials ARE required to lead it. I was wondering how many other states require schools lead students in the pledge each day. Which other states also say their state pledge?

    Here is our law:
    § 25.082. SCHOOL DAY; PLEDGES OF ALLEGIANCE; MINUTE OF
    SILENCE. (a) A school day shall be at least seven hours each day,
    including intermissions and recesses.
    (b) The board of trustees of each school district shall
    require students, once during each school day at each school in the
    district, to recite:
    (1) the pledge of allegiance to the United States flag
    in accordance with 4 U.S.C. Section 4, and its subsequent
    amendments; and
    (2) the pledge of allegiance to the state flag in
    accordance with Subchapter C, Chapter 3100, Government Code.
    (c) On written request from a student's parent or guardian,
    a school district shall excuse the student from reciting a pledge of
    allegiance under Subsection (b).
    (d) The board of trustees of each school district shall
    provide for the observance of one minute of silence at each school
    in the district following the recitation of the pledges of
    allegiance to the United States and Texas flags under Subsection
    (b). During the one-minute period, each student may, as the student chooses, reflect, pray, meditate, or engage in any other silent activity that is not likely to interfere with or distract another
    student. Each teacher or other school employee in charge of
    students during that period shall ensure that each of those
    students remains silent and does not act in a manner that is likely
    to interfere with or distract another student.
     
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  3. traveler

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    We are not required to say it but we do usually. If we don't say it, kids will ask why we didn't.
    The whole school does it at our spirit assemblies once a month. I have never heard a CA state pledge.
     
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    In DE, the teacher is required to lead the pledge, by penalty of jail time or a monetary fine. I am not sure about PA.
     
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    Our principal comes over the intercom and leads the building in the pledge. I do not force anyone to say it... in fact, I'm looking at the flag myself, thus, my back is to my students in purpose. I don't even see who says it, and who doesn't. That's irrelevant to me.
     
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    I don't remember it being mandatory in either PA school district I attended. The Pledge was read over the loudspeakers as the start of announcements and we were expected to either participate or be quiet. My history teacher for two years in a row was a staunch Marxist, so he sat quietly and graded papers during the Pledge.
     
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    Surely there are religious exceptions? That could bar people of certain religions from being teachers!

    It is not required in Louisiana. I do not require my students to say the pledge (led by students on the intercom) but I do require them to be quiet and respectful during that time. I face the flag and say the pledge, omitting the parts with which I do not agree.
     
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    We say it every single morning, followed by the Star-Spangled Banner on the morning announcements.
     
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    Here in NC we say it...my school it is student led on the intercom and I have had a few for religious reason don't say it, but they stand quietly during it. I stand and say it along with my students each day
     
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    I do the same. I will not say certain parts, for personal reasons, and I have never. My kids never noticed me not saying it during student teaching, nor did my supervising teacher because our Principal tends to be quite.... loud on the intercom.

    Anyway, we say the pledge and then have a moment of silence.

    I know I was quite appalled during my student teaching because my supervising teacher actually scolded a child after the moment of silence because said child refused to say the pledge that day. I don't agree with a part of it, but I am not going to force anyone to say it if they don't want to.
     
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    I don't know if it is a requirement, but we say the pledge each and every morning at my school!
     
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    I don't know if it is legally mandated, but my school says the Pledge, State Pledge (I believe this is choice, not required), and a moment of silence.
     
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    We don't say the pledge. We did when I taught elementary school though.
     
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    I am very much against the pledge being said in schools, and it is because of religious reasons (or lack thereof). But in my school the principal lead the pledge over morning announcements, and my current school is the same way. So I don't have to do it, and I don't say it. On the occasions that I do have to lead it, I just say "I pledge allegiance..." and let the students chime in. I figure I can "lead" it without saying it.

    For the record, I have never heard of that law being enforced in DE, and I am pretty sure if someone tried to, it wouldn't hold up in a DE court.
     
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    Thanks for the map link! So only five states say a state pledge. It figures Texas would be one. ;)

    When my neighbor's daughter was little (maybe 2nd grade), they took a trip to Colorado to visit family. They went to a local high school football game, and they began the game with everyone standing and saying the US pledge. After that, the little girl immediately launched into the Texas pledge because she thought that was what everyone said! :lol:

    For those of you curious...

    Honor the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to thee,
    Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible.

    (The humorous part of the Texas pledge is that we actually *are* divisible in a more literal sense. The constitution allows us to be divided into 5 states if we ever choose to do so...)
     
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    interesting!
     
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    We are required to lead the pledge once a week. It is student led over the intercom during 5th period.
     
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    I thought saying the pledge was a law across the board for the country. Like all schools I went to as a kid our Principal leads the pledge each day. Sometimes it gets missed and we end up doing it on our own in the classroom. I usually make sure to stand so I can see the students, to make sure everyone is respectfully participating. (I believe we have had this discussion before now that I type this). When students fool around or act disrespectful during the pledge, I have made some say it on their own. We do not have a moment of silence, we used to when I was going to school here in this state (maybe some schools still do), but I wish we did, a few seconds of mandated silence in a classroom would never be a bad thing.
     
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    In FL, it's said over the intercom every morning. We cannot require students to recite the pledge or stand for it... but I do make them be quiet if they chose not to participate.
     
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    I have done some reading...In CA, it says we have to conduct daily patriotic exercises every day. Most interpret this as saying the pledge.
     
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    I only did it if an administrator was in the room. I have more important things to do at that time of day. I'm taking attendance, yelling at kids who are eating, taking phone calls, writing slips.
     
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    And are you in a state that requires it? Your attention to 'more important things' sends a message to your students that this is not an important part of the day. There are ways to make sure that morning procedures can be handled quickly and seamlessly and still get it all done. Truthfully, only doing something 'if an administrator was in the room' speaks VOLUMES about teachers who do such.

    Just checked..PA is a 'pledge required' state.
     
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    I remember my senior homeroom in high school got bored with the pledge so we asked our teacher if we could sing - we would sing My Country Tis of Thee or The Star Spangles Banner or something every morning. lol

    I have finished the pledge and gone into "I pledge my head to clearer thinking, my heart to greater loyalty, my hands to larger service, and my health to better living, for my club, my country, my community, and my world." Anyone? lol
     
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    Just checked..PA is a 'pledge required' state.[/QUOTE]

    :eek:hmy:

    It's like my lessons, if we don't get to it, there's always tomorrow.
     
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    My students are led in the pledge every morning by the P. In Indiana the school is required to say the pledge, but students can opt out. We usually just have the kids who opt out to stand respectfully but quietly. I have only had one student who could not say the pledge for religious reasons. We also have a moment of silence each morning.
     
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    When I take my British students to Chicago I have to brief them before we visit schools that this will take place and that when it happens all they need to do is stand still in respectful silence until the US students have finished. I tell them that if the American students turn to face the flag then they may also wish to just face in the same direction.
     
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    I recall on a vacation to Alaska 3 years ago we were on a bus tour around Juneau and the guide asked if there was anyone on the bus from Texas. One guy raised his hand. The guide then said 'what would happen if they divided Alaska in to two halves'? He then said 'It woud make Texas the third largest State'! All the other Americans on the bus got a laugh at the Texan's expense!
     
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    This is very interesting to me because our state is, according to this map, required to say the pledge, but our school doesn't!

    My class and the other second grade class recite the pledge every day after returning from specialist because one of our content standards/objectives for second grade is:

    "Students will be given the opportunity to recite the Pledge of Allegiance and participate in national celebrations."
     
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    My exchange students from Brazil mentioned that she thought the pledge was very weird. And also fire drills. lol.
     
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    We say the pledge every morning during morning announcements. I agree with what was said earlier about being a model for my students; no matter what I am doing during announcements, I always stand and recite the pledge(s). (We have a school pledge, too.)

    Since we teach in a Catholic school, there is no controversy and everyone is expected to say the pledge.
     
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    Unless, of course, there's an administrator in the room, right?:huh:
     
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    Yes, we DO like to ignore the fact that Alaska is twice the size of Texas! We just say since it's not part of the continental US, it doesn't count. LOL
     
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    :lol::lol::lol: My boyfriend tried to convince me the other day that Pennsylvania was one of the largest states in the US. It's definitely number 32! I won that argument :D
     
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    lol. Sounds like my BF and I. I am from DE and I always tease him that we are the FIRST state. He is like, "oh yeah, whatever, like that even means anything." And I always say "Well the Constitution was IN your state - you guys could have signed it first..."
     
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    Like others, our pledge is said during morning announcements, usually by students. It is followed by our "Tiger Four Expectations" (PBIS positive behavioral expectations). Once that is finished, my students remain standing, and my class recites our Tiger R.O.A.R.! (a chant for my class), after which they literally roar, and I ask them to return to their seats. I think, if nothing else, the structure is a good way to begin the school day. I can't imagine doing it any other time of day! (not that that is wrong...) Of course (showing my age here), when I was in first grade, every day began with the Pledge and a prayer over the intercome!
     
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    I think where I grew up we only said the pledge in elementary school, maybe middle school. By high school we never said it...I don't think once.
     
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    We say the pledge every morning- in English and Spanish (believe me, that caused some problems). We also say a pledge to the state flag-New Mexico- I don't like that. I find that werid and I just stand but refuse to pledge to the state.
     
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    Thank you. When I am in another country I respect their ways and I think it is wonderful that you teach your students to respect our flag. Too many of our own citizens are teaching students disrespect. It is a respect issue more than anything. It is not about what you believe. It is about being respectful. And that is one of the best lessons to teach children.
     
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    :lol::lol: I love little disputes like that!
     
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    Why do you think it is weird to pledge allegiance to your state, but not to your country? Just curious - I think they are both "weird."
     
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