Starting off badly...I'e got a predicament...

Discussion in 'General Education' started by A4Amy, Jul 29, 2007.

  1. chemteach55

    chemteach55 Connoisseur

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    I had a similar situation this year. A student wanted the other chemistry teacher and told me this the first day of school. I blew it off as a child wanting her way. I will never do this again--this student made last year miserable for me. She was constantly going to the Vice-Principal and "reporting" me. She could not learn in my class, I did not teach, I spent sll my time on the computer. I got called in 6-7 times because of this student. I now say go let someone know and just get them with the teacher that they want if they really want it badly.
     
  2. paperheart

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    You ARE in a tough position. I imagine you feel very awkward about the whole thing.

    As much as I care for my students it seems the relationship between the other teacher and the student is a bit odd. I am guessing the counselor may have purposely kept her out of the other teacher's class.

    I would stay under the radar right now. Either this student is going to be in your class or the other teacher's in the end, but you don't have the ultimate power. If you talk to anyone, I would talk to the counselor, as pp have also suggested. I wouldn't show that you are upset about it, but would probably approach it as a, "I just wanted you to be aware that XYZ happened". In the end, she'll either be in the other teacher's class (in which case your problem is solved) or she'll stay in your class.

    If she stays in yours, my guess is she will come around to doing her work. If she has the high rank you are saying, she probably wouldn't want to sacrifice that. I think she proabably figures her tantrum and threats will get her what she wants.

    The other person I might talk to is the other teacher. It might break the tension you might feel with her right now. Maybe just tell her you were concerned about the student. Is she feeling better about her schedule now?" Maybe the teacher knew the student would get more upset and rude to you and wanted to diffuse the situation??? who knows, but bringing up the subject when the student is not around will probably clarify the situation for you.

    I wouldn't worry too much--it will all work out!! And just remember not to take it personally. Anyone could have been the "other" teacher and the girl would feel the same way--you just happened to be the LUCKY one!!
     
  3. Mrs.A

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    I just wanted to add that I think Paperheart's suggestion about talking to the other teacher was a good one. Just ask in a concerned way how the student is doing, express that you feel badly about the situation-is there anything you can do to help-maybe ask her about talking to the guidance counselor and see if she thinks it's a good idea. That way you're showing that you're concerned and care about the other teacher and the child. Even if she still ends up in your class, I doubt the other teacher would be upset with you.
     
  4. Upsadaisy

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    I would probably go to the counselor and ask if the school has a policy about such situations and how they handle teacher requests. Keep it informational and professional.

    I don't think there's a chance that other teachers will 'hate you'. This is a situation most would understand. The relationship between the child and other teacher is a bit troubling, to me.
     
  5. czacza

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    Does anyone think it's a little weird that the other teacher just happened to tell the story of this troubled student, had told the student when the teachers would be in and then the student shows up? Sounds like a manipulated situation to me.

    Maybe go to the counselor - tell what happened (without the part about the other teacher...) and tell them that you only want what's best for this student but that you wanted guidance to know where any request from the student may be coming from...
     
  6. Teaching Grace

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    in my opinion, high school is about dealing and learning to put up with stuff. it may sound harsh but she should stay put. if she chooses not to do her work, then so be it. that's her choice and her academic record that she's screwing up. i think it sounds like the teacher and the student are too close. i know i had teachers in high school that i liked, but i don't think that she should be allowed to pitch a fit and get it changed.
     
  7. Teaching Grace

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    besides, (sorry, hit enter too soon) i know that i had a teacher in high school who told me out right that it was my fault that i'd been raped my freshman year. i walked out, went to the principal, made him call my parents and they came to the school, nothing was done to the teacher and i was still made to go to the class.... of course i think that was more of a racial thing because the teacher was only 1 of 2 african-american teachers in the county. life is unfair and rough and mean, the girl should just learn to deal with it.
     
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    I think what you went through was awful! I cannot believe nothing happened to him. I went through something similar, not rape, but sexual harrassment (even to the point of a student putting his hand up my shirt in front of the AP) and nothing was ever done. The only thing that makes me feel better is the fact that feelings toward that kind of behavior has changed, and maybe it wouldn't be that way today.
     
  9. munchkin

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    It sounds like a question of the type of classes you and the other teacher was given. ON the outside the division of "class" types sounds fair, and there was no way you, the student or the other teacher could of known that the one AP gov class the STUDENt wanted would be taught by you and not her preferred teacher.
    It was "nice" that the other teacher was able to extend a caring attitude toward the student, and she probably did NOT mean to "put" you down at all, It is a scheduling problem, not a personal afront toward you. In any case, you should of gone with the two of them to try and get the matter solved. OR
    since you said this "more experienced" teacher had been friendly and helpful toward you and even offered to teach one of the AP sessions, take her up on her offer. Go to this teacher, and explain that you felt very awkward about the confrontation/conversation with the student and what she said. Do NOT do it with the student in the same room. Ask her to explain why she worded the conversation the way she did, and tell her you would also like to "assist" the student , her and the situation by going TOGETHER to the administration and coming up with a solution.
    Seniors are an emotional group of people, especially girls. Add a bad home life onto it and it definitely gets worse. That is not your fault, and you have no control over it, the circumstance or the student.
    It was "unkind and unprofessional" for that other teacher to say those things in front of the student, but more unprofessional to not make sure that YOU were included in the process of counseling this scheduling issue with the administration as a TEAM. Not one teacher against another. Heavens knows its hard enough teaching nowadays with out the students thinking they can pit the teachers against each other to get their own way.
    Attitude problems can be a big factor in making everyone's year miserable. If the other teacher is willing to work WITH you to negotiate a schedule change where you take one of her classes and teach it and she takes that AP class and teaches it; then the two of you approach the counselor with your "proposition" , maybe everyone could leave there happy. Counselor-gets the class taught by another compentent teacher, student is happy, and you get a type of class that you are more comfortable with teaching.
    Wldywall had an excellent point. Follow through with the counselor in a very non judgemental way. Keep your cool, remember its the STUDENT that is volitale, and the situation may not of been handled in the best of ways, but if you can keep your own cool , there is a way around this. As a professional, its your job to handle what you can, and to know when to ask for assistance. This may very well be one of these times.
     
  10. A4Amy

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    Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. And czacza, I also thought it was odd the way the teacher told me the story and the student showed up on the day I was there....I don't want to jump to any conclusions, and it's probably nothing but I'm glad someone else thought it was weird too. I called up today and talked to her guidance counsoler who was already aware of the situation (he was actually told by the other teacher, not the student.) I hope I didn't come off in a bad way. I called him and I started to tell the story (I tried my best to be non-judgemental. I said I understood this particular student had been through a rough time and was upset she wasn't placed with the teacher who she'd apparently grown to trust). I didn't mention the teacher's reaction because I didn't want it to seem like I was complaining about her. He said the teacher requested the girl be moved to her class and the counsoler had already been aware of their situation and hadn't really realized the whole schedule thing. He said he approved the request (BUT it still has to get signed by both the principal (who is also new this year and has made it clear to the staff that she does not take class transfers lightly and there must be a good reason) and me. I agreed I would sign it (that was the right thing to do right?? :-/ ). Anyway I hope the principal approves it. That's where the problem might happen according to her guidance counsoler. He said this new principal said not only does she only sign transfers for a good reason she's warning the staff not to get too casual with their students and she might see their relationship was troubling. I admit I kind of do also but it's not any of my business I guess. The guidance counsoler doesn't see anything wrong with it from what I can tell. He calmly explained that the girl is still having issues but refuses to talk to him about it and will only talk to that teacher (who I guess has earned her trust) who then relays it to the guidance counsoler and that's why he felt the request needed to be approved. So now I guess all we're waiting on is the principal. I havn't talked to the other teacher since the situation so I'm a little nervous about that also...
     
  11. Jenni

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    All I have to say is when I was in high school (which wasn't very long ago). You could only switch out of a class if you were being promoted a level or demoted a level. So AP history would become regular history. This is the only way you could get out of a class with a teacher you didn't want. My school did this to prevent students from deciding all their own teachers. As this is a mess for whoever is putting students into classes. I had a teacher who wouldn't work with my IEP it was advanced placement junior english. I had to drop down to the lower level class to get out of the class with the teacher who couldn't make adjustments for me required by law. I don't think this girl should get to belittle the system without some kind of consequences. Many have a rough home life and deal with it and don't cling to classes with specific teachers.
     
  12. Research_Parent

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    Here's my 2 cents....

    The student probably only enrolled in the class BECAUSE of the other teacher, not the class itself!No offense! Students do enroll in classes because of the people teaching the course, not just the topic.

    Next step, letting the other teacher know your in her boat, and have also went to speak with the guidance counselor.
     

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