So what happens with this teacher?

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  1. Pi-R-Squared

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    There is a teacher who announced that he was resigning from his coaching duties. Word is that he might have been told that he can no longer teach at my school. Something to do with a parent filing a complaint to the police regarding the coach and a female athlete/student. Since he has tenure, does this mean he gets to remain in the county school system but transferred to another school? Would a non-tenured teacher be let go to open a position for him? If that happens, how is that fair??
     
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    Having tenure doesn't mean you can never be fired. If they have a cause they can do it. If he is found guilty of whatever they said he did he might not be able to teach anywhere period. If nothing is proven he might be able to be transferred but it just depends.
     
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    He’s had a history of being verbally abusive to students and players. Also known to “preach” but being in the South, they turn a blind eye and deaf ear to it. Students would tell me about it but all I could do was tell the P. Perhaps he finally crossed a line.
     
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    They can't turn a blind eye to a police report.
     
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    May 22, 2023 at 11:46 AM

    Any of our personal who had criminal changes filed against them were terminated. Tenure just means you can’t be let go without due process.
     
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    May 22, 2023 at 9:14 PM

    Turns out the teacher is looking for a transfer to another school in the system. So it looks like he was forced to give up his coaching position but they’re not getting rid of him. I wonder if this was a “resign the coaching job or else….” deal?
     
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    May 23, 2023 at 7:18 AM

    I am certain that the only way he could keep his teaching job was to transfer and be removed from the coaching position that put him in contact with the students outside of the classroom. Basically, transferred or not, he is now walking a very thin line, as there will be more scrutiny and eyes on him. This should be a cautionary tale for all coaches and districts.
     
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    May 23, 2023 at 7:20 AM

    Yeah this seems right and also it sounds like he avoided the criminal aspect somehow. Maybe the parents dropped it. If they went through with it and found guilty there's probably no way he would just be transferred and allowed to work anywhere.
     
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    May 23, 2023 at 3:22 PM

    So, if he ends up staying here and teaching, all that would be different would be that he doesn't coach anymore. Am I missing something?

    UPDATED: Amazingly enough, just now, a school within the district just posted a coaching job. The same sport he coaches…. What a coincidence!!
     
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    May 24, 2023 at 8:39 AM

    I honestly wouldn't waste my time worrying about this person. Eventually Karma will catch up with him.
     
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    May 25, 2023 at 6:32 AM

    It is not your job, as a teacher, to report other teachers to the principal. It is the principal’s job to manage staff in the building.
     
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    May 25, 2023 at 7:19 AM

    Not exactly true, in my opinion. Our job is to educate students and be mindful of their welfare. A teacher who is abusive, and this includes those who are verbally, physically, and sexually abusive, need to be taken to admin's attention. I am not advocating tattling to the principal for any perceived "wrong" action, but I am standing up for protecting students and their mental and emotional health so that they can grow up to be functional and educated adults. Some won't ever get that well rounded, because we are only about 1/3 of their day, but teachers who abuse their power over students really are just abusers, and they have found a way to reconcile their poor actions while getting paid a salary, just to work with students of varied ages. I am fine with letting the principal manage staff, just not OK with being the ostrich with their head in the sand while abuse, which I classify as a pattern of behavior meant to hurt students, physically and emotionally, whether in the classroom or on the field, is taking place, while I am privy to that information and/or witness the toxic teacher being abusive.
     
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    May 25, 2023 at 7:21 AM

    Pi-R-Squared, the coaching position has to be posted as soon as they lose the coach. Looks like an opening if that is your thing. My observation is that once identified and forced to truly look at this teacher, the powers that be will be keeping a much better watch on what is going on in his classrooms and pay more mindful attention that rumors that may well be just an advanced early warning sign that the man is not fit to teach, either. Out of your or my control, but if he is being abusive, and I had a student in his school, I would hope the actions become so well observed and documented that even "good ole boy" systems are forced to face facts about what is going on. Two things motivate those with their heads in the sand - money/power, as in sports, and bad press and the widespread anger of the parents when they put two and two together. That is what got a winning coach kicked out of the profession, after it was discovered that he was trying to coerce female driver's ed students. Once that came out for one, others followed.

    So, if he ends up staying here and teaching, all that would be different would be that he doesn't coach anymore. Am I missing something?
     
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    May 25, 2023 at 8:19 AM

    For the record, this is the same teacher who told me this over 4 years ago......

    "I got more advice from a teacher today. He said if they act like 3rd graders, treat them like 3rd graders. If one constantly disrupts, just send him out into the hall and leave him there. There are security cameras watching. If others act up in class, draw a circle on the board and have that kid stand there with his nose in the circle the whole period. He says that's how he treats the same kids I have."
     
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    May 25, 2023 at 8:26 AM

    My final question would be this.....

    If the teacher does end up transferring to the other school, should I inform a teacher that I know over there about what caused him to leave here? I don't want girls at the other school to tell teachers that "Coach XXXX makes be feel uncomfortable" and it not be taken seriously.
     
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    May 25, 2023 at 12:00 PM

    As a female, I would say, yes, if you can pass factual information along that may truly impact the kind of teacher he would be. Some schools will take that information seriously, but, sadly, there are districts who still believe exactly what the "same teacher" told you over 4 years ago. If this teacher is lucky enough to find one of those schools in your neck of the woods, then no one would probably bat at eye at a coach/teacher like the one you are describing. I know that I am wandering into tangent territory here, but if we quit advocating for good teaching, good teachers, and making positive changes, whenever possible in our students' lives, should we remain teachers ourselves? I know that many complacent in their positions, and admin is fine with that, maybe even welcoming it, because for the most part, change is a little messy. Losing this teacher as a coach will probably only send him down the road to a new school where he will either be surrounded by like minds and mores, in which case they don't want truth - they just want what they consider the norm to remain the same.

    I have worked with, and became the mother, of those rightly referred to as great teachers. They never stop learning, themselves, they see each individual as someone who may need a different style of instruction to excel, instead of throwing them on the educational garbage heap because they needed the teacher to truly reach down into their bag of best practices to find a way to help these other students learn. More than that, they have done it without making offensive, judgmental comments that can scar a person for life. These are the teachers who will go home and spend their time in the evening searching for more ways to connect with and effectively instruct those students for whom learning isn't easy - they may have learning disabilities that have gone untreated, live in poverty, or be undocumented immigrants who are here because their parents brought them here. No matter the reason, they deserve our best, and the best in this profession will go above and beyond to give each student the best they have to offer. With that in mind, why hire someone like this disgraced coach to just have a "slot filler"?
     

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