Since we are debating this summer...

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  1. swansong1

    swansong1 Virtuoso

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    If a students passes a required high school course by passing all the tests and the final exam...should they be denied a diploma if they fail the state end of course standardized test for that subject?
     
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    Let me answer that question like this...

    One single administration of a test should never have life altering affects on anybody, whether it be a third grader in Ohio, a high school senior, or anyone else.

    If a student fails an EOY exam as a sophomore, fails it three times as a junior, and three more times as a senior... that's a different story.
     
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    I think that it would depend on the quality of the course exams and who would be overseeing that.
     
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    I think one of the alterations in Common Core is that the PARCC assessments are not graduation requirements. If this is the case, it's a good indication that the standardized test is important, but not THE requirement for graduation.
     
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    I agree with gr3teacher. Who knows what happened during the one administration?
     
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    Yep.
     
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    Nope. No single test should determine if a child graduates from HS.

    At my school, the EOC counts as the final exam for the course.
     
  9. 2ndTimeAround

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    No, if it is a singular test, not a pattern, then one test should not determine such a thing. If it is a pattern then the school and its teachers should be closely examined. It would indicate either the student has severe test anxiety and the school didn't notice/care (possibly) and/or there is a bunch of grade inflation going on.
     
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    It could also indicate widespread cheating, some problem with the test, a course with no or little rigor, or any number of other things.
     
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    No, but some alternative "assessment" should be provided for the student to complete in place of the state exam.

    In my district, every student has taken the state exams two or three times by November of their Senior year. If they still can't pass them, they are then given a Bridge Project to complete which takes the place of the portions of the state exams the student failed.
     
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    Very good point.
     
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    When you say EOC, are you talking about local/district created end-of-course exams or are you talking about actual state assessments? Here, graduation requirements are based upon the state assessments and not local/district exams.

    Now, if you are talking about state assessments; are you saying that these tests, which are designed by your state's Department of Ed, are given as the final exams at your school? How is that possible/allowed? Does your state allow the people at your school or district to grade the state assessments? When do your students take these assessments and when do you get the results back?

    Here, our state assessments take place in October and January (only for Seniors) and in mid-May. These exams can only be graded by the state (not district personnel) and the results are not returned until July - which is two months too late to use it as a graduation requirement.
     
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    EOCs are final exams here too. The state grades them.

    With the new assessments and "free response" sections, the only part that gets graded for the students are the scantron-able questions. The free responses were used to grade the school/teacher, not the student. Ridiculous setup.
     
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    When do you get the results back? Before June?:eek:

    Also, can a student graduate if they pass a course without passing the EOC/final exam? Our final exams are only worth 20% of a semester grade; so plenty of students pass classes while bombing their final exams. If this happens at your school, can the kid still graduate or must they pass the course and the EOC/final exam?

    Lastly, when students can't pass the state exam after multiple tries, is there an alternative "assessment" given?
     
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    EOCs (end of course) are state-created assessments. They are given in late April/May and are graded by the state. Results are returned to the school in late May/early June. They count as much as 30% of the course grade, which is why a final exam is not given.
     
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    we get the results back almost immediately. Used to be the same day but now it is more like two days later.
     

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