Should we attempt garnering unemployment insurance during non-recess periods?

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  1. oldstudent

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    Here in California, and most likely most states, there is a code that prevents us from collecting unemployment during recess periods.
    However, there are a number of days during the year where I am not called to work ( today for example) from any district.
    Today was the 100th day that I potentially could have worked this school year, yet I have only worked 74.5 days.
    Could I possibly be eligible for unemployment for the 25.5 days I did not get offered an assignment?
    This would probably be to good to be true. Since it comes out of the districts' coffers, I am sure they would fight it tooth and nail, But is it worth a shot? Has anyone tried it?
     
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  3. Ms. I

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    I'd apply & see. All they can say is NO. I know for a fact I've gotten UI during other times besides the summer months in the not so distant past, but they may be more strict about it nowadays.

    Try & see.
     
  4. chemteach55

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    What I guess they would say is that you are not contracted to work any number of days. It is like temporary work, you work when you are needed. The other side of the coin is that you have the opportunity to turn down any job so not working a day could be your choice.
     
  5. CD1980

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    Since we're part-time workers, I've always assumed we can't take unemployment. I'm pretty certain that's true in Ohio, though maybe some places are different.
     
  6. PCdiva

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    I would think that as long as you work one day in a given pay period then you are not eligible....
     
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    Have you gone to EDD's website? There is a place that will explain who is eligible for unemployment. It explains that you must have worked for a certain time period, full time, I believe.
     
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    I don't see how you could collect unemployment just because you weren't called for work.

    As an example, I had to stop substitute teaching in May. But it was July before the doctors finally diagnosed me (and with the problem I told them i had back in May when they wouldn't believe me). But since my official diagnosis was July 3, I was considered to have not been disabled until July 3. My doctors speculated that the earliest possible I could return to work would be 12 months.
    I was ineligible for medicaid and food stamps due to the fact that teachers are not allowed to collect government aid during the summer. It didn't matter that there was no way I could return to work in September, hadn't worked a decent number of days in two months, had letters from 3 doctors stating I was out of action for at least a year, was put on medication that costs $4,000/month after insurance (and no alternative to it)and had over $100,000 in still growing medical debt. All that mattered was that I was a teacher, and therefor ineligible for government aid. Had I been diagnosed a month earlier, or 1 month later, I would have been eligible though. I wasn't eligible until September - which was too far off to delay my testing


    I'm still paying on my medical debts from that time period I was ineligible for medicaid, for no other reason than i worked as a teacher, and will probably be paying on them for the next 10 years or so. Most any other profession and medicaid would have paid for the tests I needed without hesitation. I was also put on a special diet, heavy in meat and fats, so the lack of food stamps was also a double whammy, because my grocery costs suddenly skyrocketed, and my needed diet is not one that can be served by your typical food bank. If I hadn't been lucky enough to happen to go to the only hospital in the area that would even consider giving charity to someone with insurance, my debt would be so great that I doubt I could ever get out of it
     
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    I'm so sorry you are going through this. I'm sure the financial stress doesn't help your medical condition.
     
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    I have to start paying back my student loans this month...eek! I figured since we dont make that much as subs, I could apply for financial hardship defferment and not have to pay the interest on it....You have to make less than 1200/month 15,000/year for that though...I couldn't believe how low it was!
     
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    I collected..but I was always working full time last year and laid off...so I was collecting from that and they (the unemployment department) just paid me less depending on how much I was subbing.
     
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    Well Luckily I'm back in remission. Unluckily I was denied SS, under the reason "can be controlled with medication" - even though they had documentation that I had tried and failed every one of the 14 medications available at the time of that decision. Social security is supposed to be given to anyone who has 4 seizures a week - I was having 8 a day at the time they denied me. My appeal is this month, and my lawyer told me to keep it, because it looks better if I need to apply in the future, but when the judge asks "why should I give this to you" I'm going to have to say "No reason, I'm healthy now."

    Even more unluckily, my history is such that I will likely be out of remission 3 years from now (tends to come back every 5 years). Yet, if they keep taking 3 years to rule on social security, I'll never qualify because I'll always be back in remission at the time of appeal.
     
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    That's actually how I was able to be eligible. I had also worked a bit for the Census Bureau, which is a temporary position; I was able to use their documentation to apply for UI.

    And yes, when I do get sub jobs, they take out a bit from the UI check.
     
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    I believe these are the most logical reasons that it would not work.

    It is just so fricken frustrating because my best friend has no education, and was given a non stress unskilled labor position with the motion picture union without lifting a finger to apply. His brother got him into the union.
    He makes $27 per hour to dig weeds, vacuum floors, move light objects, sweep, etc..
    He is "unemployed" an average of 4-5 months every year while collecting full unemployment the entire time and maintaining all his health benefits. He is not required to look for work during this time.

    Furthermore, if his union boss calls him to offer a job, he can turn it down, and continue to collect unemployment.

    Is something wrong with this picture?

    Now compare this with subbing. The inequity is disturbing.
     
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    There's a box you check on the weekly unemployment form that asks whether or not you turned down work. So, I always assumed they'd disqualify someone who turns down work. Hmmmm ...
     
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    So you worked full time for the Census? and then were able to collect, I work almost every day so it is not an issue for me, however one of my friends is lucky if she gets one day a week and she aslo works for 3 hours a day after school at the YMCA...so she is making like $25/day plus $120 for the one subbing day...and she just keeps racking up debt by taking out extra on her student loans to get by....I told her she should do the Census part time anyway, but maybe she should look into full time.
     
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    I used to work in a factory - at the lowest pay rate, I was given a Christmas bonus equivalent to $2,000 (smallest bonus you could get in the three weeks the factory was closed). A lot of the older people had bonuses around $8,000 - but they all went and applied for unemployment for those three weeks. In fact, because they had to work 6 days the year before, they actually earned more on unemployment than they would have if they had been working- which is why many requested the factory lay them off in slow times.
    And yep, it paid more than your typical three year teacher can expect to make. I had to quit due to getting tendinitis in both my wrists at the same time, otherwise I'd still be there, and pulling in $80,000 now. And all we did was pack ice cream cones - 16 year olds worked there.
     
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    I don't know about California, but in Albuquerque, the district could choose to lay off subs and we would not be eligible for unemployment regardless of how many days we were called to work.
     
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    And people wonder why all the factories are going out of business. Sure, we're a little underpaid, but that is ridiculously OVERPAID! Where I live, factories are closing left and right, and I admit I have a hard time feeling sorry for workers who have been making this kind of money all these years....
     
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    Turning down work offered by the union boss is never reported, and I doubt the EDD investigates, so workers get away with it.

    The motion picture industry has lots of money, so they do not worry about hundreds of their labor union workers sitting home collecting unemployment checks.
     
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    You got laid of as a substitute teacher?
     
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    What is this Census thing you guys are talking about?
     
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    Due to lack of knowledge, I am not understanding what was that you'd be eligible had you been diagnosed a month earlier or a month later? What form of government aid? Can anyone shed some light on this? I didn't grow up in this country and am lacking a lot of info.
     
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    I would have been eligible for all forms of government aid (medicaid/foodstamps/plus state and local), but as it was, I was deemed ineligible for everything because I was teacher and it was summer when i received my diagnosis.. Teachers are not allowed to collect aid during breaks if they have a reasonable expectation of employment after the break. The district didn't fire me for becoming disabled, so I was considered to have expected employment after summer.

    actually it took a legal advocate to get me on medicaid even after I became eligible, and then they tried to kick me of for several made up reasons - they stopped trying that once I wrote to every politician in the state, explaining what was happening. The director? had to fill a lengthy form for each individual politician I contacted explaining the actions of her social worker and why nothing was done when I complained (the one month they kicked me off the day before I could get my medication refilled using the reason that I had taken out a loan to pay my bills. I was told by 2 people at the office that since you couldn't live without an income,any loan I took out had to be counted as my income for the month - which of course makes no sense. But that just shows what I was up against). Oh yes and not long after that they decided to order me to a work training program for 30 hours a week if I wanted to keep on medicaid - even though they had documentation had the time that I couldn't even stay awake for 30 hours a week. Let alone travel three hours roundtrip to some training site for 6 hours a day give times a week).
     
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    I knew the meaning of Census. I thought that what he/she was describing was somehow tied to a teaching position. My bad. I was in a hurry when I read the thread.
     
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    Oops. you mean you started subbing which was after you got load off. Sorry.
     

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