Shame on you Chicago!

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  1. scholarteacher

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    I've also read that Chicago teachers are already among the highest paid in the country. Where I am, we have little or no teacher assistants, no duty free lunch, some days no break or planning time, majority English Language Learners, etc. But we come to work every day--even without a raise for 4 years--because we're in it to teach the children and fulfill our responsibilities--like most teachers in our nation.
     
  2. mollydoll

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    I think that the troll comments (well, mine anyway) are because the OP showed little to no inclination to engage in an actual discussion. That is the hallmark of a pot stirrer, not someone with a differing opinion who wishes to discuss.
     
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    Compare the pay to cost of living. I also teach in a district with high pay, but a 1BR apt is a minimum of $1100, plus utilities. Our pay is decent, certainly, but it is nowhere near as luxurious as it may look on paper to people who live outside this area. And, with traffic, it is not feasible to live far enough away to save money--you would have a 4hr rt commute, and then fritter away the savings on gas anyway. CPS teachers must live in the city, so their options there are even more limited.
     
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    As I said in another thread, it's frustrating that this is the only significant action teachers can take to have their voices heard. In education, the most knowledgeable people have the least influence and the quietest voice. There's literally no other way teachers can bring issues to the public...on the other hand, every strike that happens gets used as fodder by the anti-teacher and privatization crowds...both of whom advocate ideas that are destructive to the future of the profession. So it is, in many ways, a perpetual and ongoing lose-lose scenario.
     
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    If your profession has a union, then you have the right to strike! That's the bottom line. The CPS teachers have a union and have the right to strike. Is it inconvenient to many...yes. It's inconvenient for ANY worker to strike. Teachers have the right to have a safe and productive working environment for themselves and ESPECIALLY for their students.

    Good luck CPS teachers! I hope you reach an agreement soon and your situation gets better.
     
  6. Caesar753

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    There are other methods that can be effective. I'm thinking specifically of work-to-rule and refusing to take on additional responsibilities like after-school clubs or tutoring. Striking is a last resort, obviously, and it's very noticeable, but it's not the only way teachers can get their point across in a public way.


    I just wanted to point out that not all union workers have the right to strike. It's illegal for teachers to strike in my state, even though we have a union.
     
  7. TeacherNY

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    Thanks for stopping BYE!!
     
  8. John Lee

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    THANK YOU for that. Another poster asked if we could have this thread removed?! #fascism

    Whether or not you agree with this thread, the fact is that a large part of the people there (e.g. parents) feel exactly like the OP feels. It's not like they said teachers are stupid, or something obviously meant to incite. From people who seem to be so anti-"bullying", this seem a classic example of it if the OP was earnest in her comment... which, who are we to know since as I said--this IS an legitimate opinion out there.

    As to the content of this thread, I think I agree with Rockguykev, basically highlighting what the teachers really want.

    They aren't fine with the pay freeze. That's why it's time to fight. What they would be fine with is in letting new teachers continue to be their fall guy.

    We saw this whole wave coming 4+ years ago, when this all started. Rather than taking a concerted effort then (which, what is the point of an organized, "professional" organization like a union for if not for that), to address current labor issues and issues that were obviously on the horizon. They could have circled the wagons then, and developed their position so that when this wave came, they would be in better position. Instead, they left their young out to fend for themselves, basically showing their hand. And now that push is coming to shove, well... I guess we'll just al have to wait and see what happens (here with CPS). I guarantee this won't be the last one (last strike).
     
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    Checking in!

    I feel like it's 10pm and it's only 1:00. :lol: Headed back downtown at 2:00 for another rally. Today teachers reported to one of the 144 scab schools/babysitting centers instead of their home schools. Mine only had a handful of kids show up.

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    Still mostly support from the community. A few dirty looks here and there, but that's to be expected. My three friends went out for lunch and someone secretly paid their bill. :love:

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  10. TeacherGroupie

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    Caesar has suggested working strictly to rule. I've suggested going very public in your local area with the real reasons that the Chicago teachers are striking: write letters to the editor, post on social media, discuss it (respectfully) with neighbors - there ARE ways to get the message out, but it's going to take some work and some willingness to be uncomfortable.
     
  11. McParadigm

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    That's good for a single battle, but you'll never win the war by force of volume alone. The problem, unfortunately, won't simply be that your message isn't heard. It'll be that it's just not that kind of world anymore. People are bombarded endlessly by what their opinion should be...they can even pick which news channel to watch dependent upon what they want to hear and believe. Information today has managed to become simultaneously insular and overwhelming. The result is that they'll be judging your message before you even deliver it...by judging you.

    Villification wins the day. You don't have to listen to teachers. Teachers are incompetent. Of course they'll say what they have to say, to keep those cushy benefits. Don't you know that America's schools are failing? Don't you know that this country is on its death bed because your children's teachers were unionized? Haven't you seen that documentary?

    What can you give people, in response to that? Facts? Go ahead. But they're your facts, so understand that to many they will mean nothing. Not in a day when a presidential campaign can say "we're not going to have our campaign dictated by fact checkers" and not suffer any polling consequence...when people don't even bother to argue facts if they can just undermine the speaker instead. And really, when people on this board can talk about their own families or friends not respecting their profession, who is going to listen to teachers talk about teaching??!

    I'm not suggesting defeatism, nor am I disagreeing with the Chicago teachers in any way. God willing, the strike may have a positive effect. I certainly hope so.

    I'm saying that I believe we as teachers need to have a real and open discussion about how to affect the future of education. And soon, because we're increasingly shut out, and our old paradigms for being heard don't have nearly the impact they once had. The people who see the profit potential of privatization are on the move...even the ERIC database is getting overrun with papers by the "Educational Freedom Foundation," and the like...and the pressure from both sides of the aisle to reform the system is absolutely crushing. The future is just made up of more education reform, designed and enacted (like the last 10 years) entirely by businessmen and lawyers.

    I have my fingers crossed and my red shirt on (isn't that a Star Trek joke...) for the Chicago strikers...I truly want them to come out on top. I just think that the scenario being played out there right now is a microcosmic component of the real and rapidly occurring danger to the profession. It's like using your body to block a single wave and thinking that you've stopped the tide coming in. Yes, please, fight the good fight today. And we all hope that you win. But we should be doing a lot more thinking about tomorrow than we currently do, as well...because, in my humble opinion, people have already been convinced that education needs new ideas in order to succeed. I think they're correct, just not for the reasons or in the directions that they've been given. And I think we need to work very hard to establish that we are the ones who are capable of generating and implementing that change, because we've spent the last ten years seeing exactly what direction our profession is headed in otherwise. Before we can sell our ideas, we have to start finding new ways to sell ourselves. If we want people to listen to our ideas, to our thoughts and our visions, then the image in their minds when they think of the word 'teacher' needs to be changed so that they are willing once more to listen.

    /rant
     
  12. TeacherGroupie

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    McParadigm, your points are ones that I've made periodically on this forum pretty much ever since I joined.
     
  13. McParadigm

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    :)

    And I'm a mere 22,902 posts behind you. So watch your left.
     
  14. JustMe

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    Yet the title of this thread is "Shame on you Chicago!" and your complete first post is "Teachers should NEVER go on strike."
     
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    FourSquare, I wore red yesterday and was wearing it again today! (Also in support of 9/11 remembrance, of course!) I love that story about someone paying for their lunch and that picture is awesome!
     
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