Shame on you Chicago!

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    Teachers should NEVER go on strike.
     
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    Sometimes it's the only way to get things changed... And from the bit I've read, Chicago needs some things to change in a big way.
     
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    So does the state where I work, but I went to work today. Some of the things I read made me shake my head for real.
     
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    So Chicago should end up like my district... not allowed by state law to strike, no step/COLA for six years, and now facing a hefty pay cut - absolutely no recourse available to teachers? Just suck it up and go bankrupt?

    I love teaching, but I also really love having a roof over my head and food in my belly.
     
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    Coming from a state where our collective bargaining rights were almost taken away, I disagree. Striking should be an absolute last resort and should be the result of multiple failed attempts to compromise. It should also be an action that is taken with great consideration of the consequences and potential harm to students' education. With that being said, it sounds like this was a last resort for Chicago school teachers. After dealing with broken promises, longer work days with not a cent of additional pay and mismanaged programs for bilingual and special education students....they needed a change. You may be fine with being mistreated in the workplace, but I know that if I had to deal with what the Chicago teachers were put through, my defeated and depressed attitude would definitely affect my teaching...and that's NOT what is best for children.
     
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    They don't know how nice they have it.
     
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    ....FourSquare? Other CPS teachers from AtoZ? Care to respond? :whistle:
     
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    Exactly this. No one woke up and said, "Hey, I don't feel like working today. Let's go on strike!" It is a LAST resort but is NECESSARY to really get the best for our students. I would not take striking lightly but I do feel it has its place.
     
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    :lol::lol: I keep waiting for them to show up... Where's chicagoturtle?
     
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    The news media have reported the strike as though it was strictly about teachers demanding more pay.

    My understanding, however, is that it's the non-pay issues that have compelled the teachers to decide that the alternatives to striking are all worse. From what I hear, the issues include

    - woefully inadequate preparation time
    - classrooms and student bathrooms in disrepair
    - furniture that poses safety hazards to the students
    - absence of the sorts of basic supplies - copy paper, for gosh sakes, and whiteboard markers - that workers in all other industries take for granted

    and many more shortcomings that, if unremedied, will have a much worse impact for much longer on student well-being and success than will a strike.
     
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    We should all just be so grateful to have jobs that we should never, ever complain about anything ever.

    Also, if a bad situation is even worse somewhere else, we should never ever complain because we are better off.

    Uh huh. Sounds great. And this power will never, ever be abused by employers.
     
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    In fact, I am beginning to think that it properly falls to teachers outside CPS to make the case in their own communities for the CTU strike being appropriate. Otherwise, the public will still think - because that's what they're hearing - that the strike is primarily about money.
     
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    I agree, Teacher Groupie.

    I don't think anybody, media included, has actually read the CTU document.

    Also, on the "cushy" 6 hour day: someone correct me if I am wrong, but are the schools not in session longer? By my calculations, their total contract hours worked are similar to my 7.5 hour day.
     
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    Shame on teachers for exercising their first amendment right! Administration is always correct and teachers should never peacefully assemble about any issue.
     
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    Since when have people in power ever abused their authority? They alone are better than their collective force of minions.
     
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