Second B.A. in English?

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  1. nasimi77

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    Hi All,

    I guess in my delirium of hunting for daily sub jobs, :dizzy:and trying to find one of those full time job thingys (I know that's not a word);)....I've once again found myself wandering in the halls of my past days at National University. I see they've got a B.A. in English program, that also allows you to get your preliminary cred in English. Just wondering if it's worth it. :confused: I would hope there's always a need for English teachers. And, it's a subject I share some passion in in terms of it's relation to art in regards to writing, literature, and just the art of the language itself. Any thoughts are appreciated. :angel::love:
     
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    What is your first B.A. in? Do you have a Masters?
     
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    First B.A. is in Art Ed. No, I don't have an M.A.
     
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    English teaching jobs are hard to come by here. If its something that you really want to do, then I would go ahead and do it. It would open up some more opportunties for you.
     
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    Have you considered a MA in English instead?
     
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    That's what I'm thinking STG, more opportunities. A B.A. in English can serve in other areas. Jobs teaching English don't seem to be all that plentiful in Cali either...(heck, doesn't seem like any teaching jobs are in plenty these days) but they do pop up now and again. Even if I taught at a private school I wouldn't mind that.
     
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    I don't know how it is in CA but if you get another BA and get a teaching job you will eventually have to get a Masters anyway. A friend of mine decided she wanted to become an English teacher (after getting a BA in another area) and just went for her Masters in English. The school she went to helped her get her certified so it might help you out in the long run if you just go straight to your Masters. Just my :2cents:
     
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    Great minds think alike!! I didn't see your response! :lol:
     
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    I hear what you're saying TeacherNY. However, since my first B.A. is in Art Ed I'm thinking it might serve me best to get the B.A. in English first. Here in California, if you try and get a job these days with an M.A. it's quite hard because of the job shortage. Most districts don't want to have to pay a new hire an M.A. salary. Most of my friends out here got the job first, then enrolled in the M.A. program once hired as a teacher. Appreciate the advice though.:thumb:
     
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    If English is something that you think you'd be passionate about then I say go for it. In New York, finding a position teaching English is hard to come by, as it's such a desirable job. I imagine it's pretty similar elsewhere. I have a few friends that are certified and have been looking now for 3 years. A B.A. in English is a pretty versatile degree in itself if you don't end up teaching.
     
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    Namimi, if this is something you want to do for YOU, then do it.

    But adding an English certification probably won't be a significant help in your job search.

    Every wannabe writer or journalist-- and there are millions of them-- thinks of teaching English as a fallback job. It's HARD to find a job teaching English!!
     
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    I don't see much point to the second BA as such, frankly, especially given that you're coming at it from art (rather than, say, bioengineering) - there's a sense in which both English and art are about making meaning, and the tools you have learned for communicating and learning should be fairly transferable. If you want a credential in English, you'll be as well served by going to a community college for whatever undergrad survey-type courses you didn't get before and then picking up enough upper-division units to get you to the magic 30 units to get the additional authorization.

    English jobs are not easy to find, but they're easier than social studies jobs.

    Have you considered going into reading?
     
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    I hear you Aliceacc. I just got off the phone with an advisor from the school where I got my Multiple subj credential. She was saying my best bet is to take the English CSET exam and add on to my authorization that way....and THEN add on the M.A. if I want. Heck, I should do that for Art...like I keep saying I'm going to do. I have my undergrad in that. I know there's not many art jobs out there right now, but I suppose it's a worthwhile thing to add on. The only subjects I can think of that I'd feel comfortable in adding on to my current credential would be: English, History, Social Studies, and Art. I won't even pretend to try and teach Math or Science!:whistle: (at the high school level....I can teach it K-5 of course)
     
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    Hi TG. Yes, after talking to an advisor I now see getting the B.A. in Eng. doesn't make much sense.

    Reading? You mean like a Reading Specialist? How would I go about that?
     
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    The ins and outs, I'm not so conversant in, and there might be a requirement for a given amount of time spent in the regular classroom - but your advisor might have some ideas. If nothing else, picking up some units in areas related to literacy, especially adolescent literacy (and the district might have something you could get in on), would stand you in good stead.
     
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    :toofunny: Alice! These days I think of myself as a wannbe teacher who works as a writer! Oh well. Everything happens for a reason. But I do love how many of them seem to think (gasp) teaching English is EASY!

    But seriously, to the OP - consider a master's in Reading. We're getting down to make-or-break time with NCLB and our children are not up to par. Reading Specialists are in high demand.
     
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    Thanks Chebrutta, I'll look into it.

    Alice: I agree with that point you made. I hardly view teaching English as a fallback job. Surprises me that anyone would! :eek:hmy:
     
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    I seem to remember you saying that you were going back to school for sped ed. Am I thinking of someone else?
     
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    Nasimi- it sounds like adding the credentials is a better way to go than the whole BA in English...and hopefully its more cost-effective for you too! I agree that reading specialists are starting to get big around here...and I think there is a masters program around me that requires only 30 credits for it. Just something to think about :)
     
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    that was me, yep. not doing that afterall. decided it's not for me. i think under the panic of needing a job i was trying to convince myself into doing it
     
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    English is fading out as a high needs area - at least in Los Angeles. In my opinion, don't spend the money on it unless it's a passion of yours.
     
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    I have been thinking of getting a masters in English (also looking at National University). I feel like with a masters in English (as opposed to one in education) I can use it to expand my career prospects beyond teaching, not that I don't want to be a teacher but with the way things are right now it may make sense to think about other things. I really enjoy English although I am more scared of getting a masters in English than in education, it just seems harder somehow...
     
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    I was thinking the same things teacherfan. The English backing would allow you to pursue other avenues in the avent teaching doesn't pan out for the time being. However, the M.A. in English I think would be more challenging. However, for myself I would find it interesting. Heck, I would love to get an M.A. in Art History for that matter. Art is my true passion, and yet with all these budget cuts I've sort of neglected it, and I shouldn't really. :(

    SpecialT: I agree. English is not a high needs area anymore. I know that Math and Science are now being flooded with teachers getting their license in those areas. Pretty soon they won't be as high need anymore either.

    I actually feel that despite what the job market is saying, I'm learning here that one has to be true to themselves in terms of what they love and what they will be passionate about teaching. The students pick up on your love of a subject, and if you never really wanted to teach it in the first place, it'll show...and reflect on them and you as a teacher.
     
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    BA in english is a waste of time! Getting into something that is flooded will not help you one bit!
     
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    I was sort of looking at a program at Cal State Dominguez Hills. It is a distance learning masters in humanities. It seems one can get the humanities degree but have a concentration in history, art, music, literature, or philosophy. Another thought on getting a masters in something other than education.

    http://csudh.edu/hux/
     
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    Hmmm. Thanks teacherfan, :thumb:this looks interesting. Cal State Dominguez has an excellent Ed Department as well.
     
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    You bet.

    I'll add that ANY really good undergrad degree should give one tools with which to think critically and to learn how to learn; a history major should understand how science works, and vice versa.
     
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    I agree TG. I think critical thinking is the backbone of any good education. Even more so now in our Facebook, Twitter"ized" Iphone techno savvy world we live in. These kids need to connect things constantly, as do we as teachers.
     

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