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  1. John Lee

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    The salary schedule for my district reads like a grid showing pay, according to your education credits. I'm going for my Masters, which would put me in that one column. To go beyond that, there are additional steps I can take to move along the scale (e.g. MA +45, MA +60...) Are those +45, +60s training/additional coursework? If so, are these things that you seek out and pursue yourself (related to your teaching)?
     
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    Yes. In my district, plus credits are generally Grad credits-could be credits toward another degree or certification or just PD classes offered thru universities for credit. We used to be able to also take some salary movement classes for I service (less expensive) but the state changed 'what counts'
     
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    In NJ, it is common to see Bachelor's plus 15, plus 30, Masters, M + 15,+30,+45,+60, Doctorate. Any version of these may be in a district. They will accept virtually any graduate credit, and they will also reimburse you for tuition. All you have to do is provide the effort and tie it to your own goals and objectives from your own professional development plan. For instance, I wanted to take courses in ESL. I'm a science teacher, but one of my goals was to teach students with needs by learning alternate methods and rationales. With that in my PD plan, I was able to get the school to pay for the entire master's because it would improve me as a science teacher to be able to work effectively with English Language Learners.

    Private schools are different - no increase for acquisition of graduate credits. When I earned my master's, I had to advocate for a more substantial pay increase, since the starting salaries had been creeping up. The addition of the master's wasn't enough for me to earn what new hires with no master's was already making. I gathered info about what surrounding schools did, and provided the logic and basis for them to reevaluate their procedures. Many of our students are not native English speakers, so that was how I went about fighting for a fair raise. It took a while, but they did finally give me a raise equal to what I would have earned in a public school district. I tell you all of this because knowing the salary guide is beneficial if you want to be sure you are being paid in accordance to your education.
     
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    Yes, those are graduate-level credits in related content areas.
     
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    In my district those salary points can be all sorts of PD classes as long as they are relevant to professional growth in general. A math teacher could take an art class via community college. Or there are companies that advertise in my area who offer online PD/salary point classes (preapproved by my district) in topics like CCSS or classroom management.
     
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    Do you mean a Math teacher couldn't take an art class via community college? If you don't, I think it would be really fun and helpful, to be able to take classes as you see fit (i.e. that might be related to your teaching).

    e.g. I have a personal passion for things like gardening, sustainable agriculture... would I be able to take classes like this (that aren't necessarily teaching related, but subject matter related) that would move me along the columns?
     
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    My district only accepts graduate level courses from a university. You have to prove that the classes are related to your current assignment in order to get credit on the salary scale for them. So a teacher who took admin licensing courses but chose to stay in a teaching position or couldn't find an admin position wouldn't get credit because those courses don't apply to their current assignment. The pay raise for getting my MA was worth it, but the next lane is MA + 20 and the raise is pretty small. Considering how expensive graduate classes are, it wouldn't make financial sense to spend all the money on getting 20 credit hours for a tiny raise. Considering most grad classes are 3 credits, that would also be a huge time commitment taking 7 classes to get bumped up to the next level.
     
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    The key term here is graduate level classes. Around here, you may or may not be able to get tuition reimbursement depending on how you tied the class you want to take to something in your professional development plan. I think that people get confused - just professional development, such as an inservice, does not have to be grad work, but it should be tied to the areas you want to improve in. On the pay scale, it is all about being grad classes.
     
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    In my experience they're usually grad level credit sna dhave to pertain to education or your content in some way, or be useful at the very least.
    Always ask a credential specialist at your district. I was able to get credit for a Spanish 1 class (community college) because I told them it would help me communicate with the parents (90 % Latino students and many have Spanish only households). That was 4 credits.
    I probably could have taken Spanish 2 and maybe even 3, but dropped out of Spanish 2, it was too overwhelming for me with everything that was going on (BTSA in one year only, my second year teaching which meant I either get tenure or let go).

    But they probably would not let you take an elective type class (photopgraphy, art, etc) that has nothing to do with your subject and get credit for it.
     
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    In my CA district, any community college classes, CSU or UC courses, or credits via San Diego University count toward the salary schedule--as long as we can justify how they'll make us a better educator. I took many classes through San Diego University (totally online) and moved all the way to the end of the salary schedule (additionally, I earned my MA and Admin Credential via a local CSU).
     
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    Doubtful. In my district, PD credits or salary guide movement need to be pre-approved. Our approval form asks how the class content will benefit yor teaching/your students.
     
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    A math teacher in my district could take an art class or a landscape design class (for examples) from an accredited institution (and with district pre-approval even non-accredited). Any class that could enhance a teacher's ability to deliver content in an engaging manner.
     
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    Sometimes PD will count only in your own district, but not if you move. That was the case with my admin program, which was through the county office of education. There was an MOU between the county office and the participating districts that they would count towards movement on the salary schedule. However, for them to count in other districts, you had to be enrolled in the MA program and pay tuition to National University.
     
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    I believe any type of credits will count towards our pay step increases (+15, +30), but they are only offered for BA, not MA.
     
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    In Texas, you can get a stipend for a Master's, but anything past that generally doesn't get a salary increase.
     
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    You are right in that every state, and sometimes every district can be different. To me, a stipend is just another name for moving up the salary scale.
     
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    I have a related question, I'm currently completing my MA/credential and have taken an additional 12 units of graduate level PD classes while I've been in grad school. How likely is it that those units will count towards my initial placement on the salary schedule when I start teaching full time? Anyone know, or is that something that depends on the district? They were classes offered by my university, fwiw.
     
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    It's hard to say.

    In my district, our old salary schedule would not have cared about 12 credits. Once you hit 16, though, you would have been paid for that. BA, BA+16, BA+32, MA, MA+16, MA+32.

    Our new salary schedule is very different, complicated, and odd. Twelve extra credits would mean nothing and probably wouldn't even get you closer toward any kind of advancement.
     
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    The school I'm currently working at, and hope to be hired when I complete my credential, has a salary schedule that has a cutoff between BA + 28-41, then BA + 42-55. My MA is 39 units, plus the 12 units of PD puts me at BA+51, just 5 units shy of being in the next bracket. Plus the MA annual increment.

    My question is more about whether or not those PD units will count towards getting me to the +56 units, even though they were taken during my MA program, if that makes sense. I hear a lot of people saying that they had to get prior approval, or had to justify the courses that they wanted to take beforehand in order for them to count towards advancement. Is that usually dependent on the particular district you're in?
     
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    This is the question you pose to HR.
     
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    Well yes, that would eventually be the plan. Just wondering if anyone has experience with earning grad units not related to their BA or MA before landing a job, and then having those units not count towards placement on the salary schedule.
     
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    Honestly, in NJ, PD doesn't count towards advancement unless it is college credit in NJ. It counts on the required professional development we need yearly, but not as hours on the salary scale if it is not graduate credit. The B+hours, in NJ, means credits on a transcript from a university.
     
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    Well, these PD credits are through the extension unit through my University, and I'm pretty sure they are graduate level credits, so that is promising.
     
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    This is what my university website says:

    "Loyola Marymount University (LMU), in partnership with CABE, are offering a new Academic Spanish Certificate Program for teachers. This is a one year program in Spanish geared specifically for Spanish speakers and teachers in bilingual/dual language programs for the purpose of increasing their Academic Spanish language skills.
    • Admission Requirements/Prerequisite: Spanish speaking teachers or teachers in bilingual/dual language programs.
    • Requirements: Completion of four courses, 12 units total.
    • Grade Requirements: "B" or better in each class
    Successful completion of three, four (4) unit courses with a grade of "B" or better is required to earn the Certificate. Participants can earn a total of up to 12 continuing education units. Prior to course enrollment, participants should check district requirements for CEU acceptance and salary point equivalency."

    So I guess I cross my fingers and hope it counts.
     
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    I don't know what state you are in. Some states accept CEU's that aren't grad credit, many don't. If it were on a transcript, well, no brainer. As it is written, I would have some serious doubts if there isn't grad credit on a transcript. Check with the state DOE and see what they say about CEU's vs grad credit.

    http://www.teachtomorrow.org/continuing-education-for-teachers/
     
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