Running records, DRA's and JOHNS

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  1. sschnake

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    I am a new teacher and I am so confused with all of the different ways to assess in reading. We are required to give DRAs 3 times a year at assigned times. And running records must be done once every six day cycle. We are suppose to take the students to frustration level. I have given a few running records but have no clue how to score them. I have tabulated the miscues and now what. Do you take comprehension into consideration or does all this stuff vary from school to school?
     
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  3. LionPride

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    Do you have a literacy coach or a reading recovery teacher to help you? There are professional books that could help you with the scoring of the running records.
     
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    All I have to say is EVERY SIX DAY CYCLE?! That is insane. We've been in school for 3 weeks and I haven't tested any of my kids. I don't have the time or energy or help to accomplish it! I also need to be trained in DRA. The other teachers say they let the other kids do independent activities while they read with a kid in the corner, but that doesn't seem like a good system to me. So now I have about a week and a half to do all of them.
    Sschnake, I'd ask the reading recovery teacher for help -- at least with students that are signed up for reading recovery. They might take pity on you. Good Luck!
     
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    We used to do DRA but now we do DIBELS. If I remember you start out with testing with the grade level book first. If the student can read the first page orally without missing a lot of words then they read the rest of the book silently. You ask them the comprehension questions and they MUST retell certain parts of the book. If they can't answer the comprehension questions then you go down a level. You keep going down until they can answer those questions. If a student tested correctly on grade level then we went up one more level to see if they were above grade level. After they answered the comprehension questions then they read a page orally while you count the mistakes. There was a score sheet that went with it. I think they couldn't have anymore than 10 errors. We did this two times a year. I didn't care for this test. I think DIBELS is a more accurate indicator of their reading ability
     
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    That's interesting. I like DRA a whole lot better than Dibels. The school district where I was a long term sub uses both of them. We did the DRA 5 times a year, once at the beginning of the year and then every quarter. I think Dibels has its place, but when you hear kids reading so fast it is hard to understand the words, that to me is not testing how well a kid can read. I think there has to be the comprehension part given with the Dibels as well. I was a speed reader, but have difficulty with retell.
     
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    We have DRA's and Dibbels (sp?) at our school too. The DRA test is to find the student's independent reading level and the Dibbels is for fluency. We also have a state test (DRA) that is required to be given to every second grader. I just finished up that test with all of my kids today. Whew!! No help from the Reading specialist either...they (two of them part time each) were too busy helping the teachers who whine all of the time that there isn't enough time to do the testing but will spend 30 minutes on calendar and another on penmanship. Go figure! Anyway, I got it done and now have to start on the fluency (dibbels). That is a weird word.


    I'm not sure that you could do a running record on each of your kids every 6 days. Do you choose from a book they are reading or one that you already have a copy of? To me, that wouldn't give enough time to show growth. By the time I get back around to the beginning of my DRA testing and have tested all of the kids, it has been about a month and most of them move up a level. If not, there might be reason to worry a bit, especially if they don't move the next time too.
     
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    We are starting to use the DRA in my district. I haven't been fully trained on it yet - it was a quick run through at an inservice. We had to do a 1 minute read on the students to determine their reading levels before we determine who to DRA. Our principal wanted this done by the second week of school. It was time consuming and frustrating because you need someone to watch your class while you are testing. The 1 minute read scores were the same as my students STAR scores (reading test from Renaissance Place) so I felt this was not the best use of my teaching time the first two weeks of school. :sorry:
     
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    EVERY SIX days.....that is crazy!? When do you acutally teach, it can take 5 days to assess my whole class....

    How do you see growth with a DRA every 6 days...that seems a bit over the top to me....are you sure you don't have to assess every 6 weeks....
     
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    we use the DRA2. it includes fluency and is a big pain in the you-know-what. i understand the information is valuable, but a lot of my kids are slow readers and have GREAT comprehension. it doesn't match up on the test we do. we also have to do word analysis on the kiddos that are a 24 or below. this is another test that goes along with the DRA2. so i have 9 kiddos i need to test again!

    anyway, we do it three times a year. it's VERY VERY easy (to me) and it's so self explanatory it's crazy! i picked it up right away and i'm a 1st year...the veterans were the ones having difficulty. maybe because this is our first year with the DRA2 and the other teachers are used to the other one? who knows? anyway, it's not that bad and it gives you a load of info on your students.

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    anyway, we do it three times a year. it's VERY VERY easy (to me) and it's so self explanatory it's crazy! i picked it up right away and i'm a 1st year...the veterans were the ones having difficulty. maybe because this is our first year with the DRA2 and the other teachers are used to the other one? who knows? anyway, it's not that bad and it gives you a load of info on your students.

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    I know what you mean. We have been using our DRA kits as long as I have been there. At first, it was a little time consuming until I got used to it but now, it's easy to get done and tells so much. The verteran teachers who have been teaching for years, are the ones who have difficulty. There are a couple on my team who have been teaching for 30 and 15 years who can't seem to find the time to do them. :crosseyed They also spend 30 minutes doing the calendar each day as well.
     
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    I didn't read all the responses so I hope I'm not duplicating, but here's how my school did running records every 6 days. Every day, at the beginning of each reading group, while the others are doing their familiar re-read, you do a running record on one student (we didn't use the official leveled running record books for this, just the new book from the day before, if that makes sense). This is a real quick assessment of your individual students, if they're ready to move up as a group, if you need to slow them down as a group, or if individual students are ready for a change. If you have 6 kids in your group, wala!! You've done one student every 6 days! (if your groups are smaller, you're doing assessments even more frequently). Implementing it into your reading groups takes no extra time, and the kids LOVE to have your individual attention while the rest of the group is reading!! :)
     

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