Ridiculous new sub policy

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  1. giraffe326

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    This is a memo that all subs in a district (in NC) received today. A friend of mine shared it on Facebook.
    If you look- no subs will be allowed to work more than 3.5 days per week. Even a LTS. Long term positions will be split between subs!!!
    (I will say a LTS in NC is terrible anyway- you don't receive extra pay.)

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  3. JustMe

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    Oh... :(
     
  4. MrsC

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    Ridiculous.

    I understand that it's to save money, but where are the needs of the students who will now have a sub-for-a-sub for 3 tenths of their week?
     
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    Due to laws about the retirement system, schools around here (in Michigan) all have an outside company hire and distribute subs. If the NC districts are smart, they'll do the same.
     
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    I think about what would happen if I still worked in NC and my district did that. For example, I was out an entire week to go to an Orton-Gillingham training. I would have had to split my sub! Decent subs are nearly impossible to find down there anyway. Most subs are retired teachers and they always seem to babysit their grandkids most of the week.
     
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    Forgive me for my ignorance, but why is this happening? There has to be a loophole because California has never given subs benefits, full time hours or not. And I haven't heard that the Affordable Care Act is changing that in any way. I thought subs were not considered full time employees no matter how many hours they worked because they're classified as "temp" or something of that nature.

    Terrible situation for subs and for teachers - especially for teachers who need to take an extended leave. I can't imagine having a maternity leave covered by multiple subs. What a mess! :dizzy:
     
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    ACA will get the blame for a crappy school system.
     
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    Makes no sense. Our subs aren't being affected by New law. Sounds like someone doesn't understand obamacare. They could use Kelly Service to hire subs if they wanted too. Sounds to me like NC is putting children last.
     
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    NC is always putting children last. It is really a terrible state for education. The educators are amazing and do the best they can, but there is only so much you can take.
     
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    I only know what you guys do- what is in the letter. Here in MI, most people use a sub service and that is due to retirement laws. When I subbed back in 06-07, it wasn't like this and they did have to pay into a retirement account for me. That is why most Michigan districts went to a sub service. I'm not employed by the schools/districts in any way. NC needs to go to something like that if they can't get around this.

    And the really sad thing for subs is that it is not easy to sub in another district. Districts are county-wide. So they would have to travel to another county to work- which would take 20 minutes to an hour! Probably not worth it!!
     
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    Unfortunately, I don't think that particular school district will be the only one to do that. I've heard of other places, mostly retail, that have cut or will be cutting the hours of employees so that they don't have to pay for health care.
     
  13. Honest_Teacher

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    This is off-topic, but situations like this are why employer-based healthcare is a ridiculously silly system. It makes it more difficult for some employers to appropriately distribute hours most effectively, makes it more difficult for workers to move throughout the economy to best utilize their skills, and has created a bizarre system in which many consumers of healthcare don't see how much it costs (when employers contribute to the policy as a paycheck deduction) and, as a result, don't act like consumers when utilizing healthcare services - one of the reasons healthcare costs have spiraled.

    Either go full single-provider (socialism, oh no!), or get rid of employer tax deductions taken for subsidizing employee health insurance. Employers can add that amount of compensation to paychecks, and employees can use that money to buy whatever policy they would like (probably with minimum requirements like ACA). Poor individuals/families can still be eligible for Medicaid and/or premium subsidies.

    /rant off
     
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    Yay Obama! Glad he's making healthcare SO much better! (not) :mad:
     
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    To step on my soapbox here for a minute... pretty much all the things about Obamacare that people don't like were added as a compromise to try to get any Republican (and conservative Democrat) support for it. If Obama had passed the law he wanted to pass... long story short, it would have looked better. Even with the law, I'd consider it an overall benefit for millions more to be insured, for people with expensive conditions to be ensured that their treatments will be covered, for young people to be able to stay on their parents insurance long enough to let them get a job after college, etc.
     
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    I think the part that upsets me most about the memo is that it affects the KIDS!

    How?

    What if a teacher is out for an extended time due to maternity leave, surgery, or some other medical issue? Instead of having one stead sub, they'll have people in and out of their classroom!

    This is a lose/lose situation for all parties!
     
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    A few years ago we had a teacher out for over a year because she had cancer. Could you imagine having multiple subs in there for a whole year?
     
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    This has to be a NC decision though. Our state hires subs through the districts and I haven't heard about anything like this happening, so it can't really be because of Obama Care.
     
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    None of this excuses his lie about people keeping their policies. None of that is the "conservatives'" fault. Something needed to be done about the system, and the introduction of market-based incentives (paying based on quality of care versus number of procedures) is the most underrated and unrecognized benefits of the legislation.
     
  20. TeacherGroupie

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    Let's stay on topic, please.
     
  21. Honest_Teacher

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    "Re: Affordable Care Act."

    Is that not the title of the memo?
     
  22. TeacherGroupie

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    The original topic is the memo, not the act.
     
  23. Honest_Teacher

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    The memo and policy are a direct reaction to the ACA.

    Your post to "stay on topic" is more off-topic than anything in this thread.
     
  24. TeacherGroupie

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    That's not particularly honest, Dave.
     
  25. Honest_Teacher

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    And this, of course, is on-topic.
     
  26. Pashtun

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    You have now entered the Twilight zone.
     
  27. 2ndTimeAround

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    I haven't heard about this happening in my district in NC.
     
  28. 2ndTimeAround

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    that's how it works around here. Just get used to it because right or wrong, saying much more will get the thread locked.
     
  29. Go Blue!

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    Except for the idiots at the BOE who make these decisions. I wonder about them sometimes and if they even care about the schools, kids, or staff.
     

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