Re-thinking career choice because of the CSET

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  1. Sara Collins

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    Guys, I am officially fed up. I just took my 4th shot at subtest 1 and I began crying mid test. I heard there are only 4 versions of each sub test. If this is true, this version was by far my hardest. The first time I took it I scored a 206, second was a 208 and the 3rd was a 213. I walked out of my 4th attempt feeling like I did worse than I've ever done before. I am not working in a classroom and I feel like it puts me at a disadvantage and i'm beginning to just feel like I need to give up. I can't get into a classroom to student teach until I pass my CSET and TPA's 1 & 2 (which I heard is impossible to pass without classroom experience). I am at my wits end.
     
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    Sorry to hear that. :( Have you looked for CSET test prep courses in your area?

    TPAs 1 and 2 should be done during student teaching. They can't be done without access to a classroom. I'm confused about why you'd have to do them before.
     
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    I'm with yellowdaisies: while it's state law that one can't officially student teach without having passed the subject-matter and basic-skills requirements, your program shouldn't be insisting that you have already passed the TPAs before you student teach.

    206, 208, and 213 are all clustering pretty close to a passing score. What diagnostics (plus marks and p, k, s) are you seeing on the second page of your score reports?
     
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    According to my program, I cannot student teach until I pass TPA 1 & 2 and I do 3 & 4 during student teaching. I'm frustrated because I feel that I can't pass them without experience in a classroom. Also, I have to have my CSET and TPA's 1 & 2 in order to student teach next fall.

    As for my diagnostics
    Score 206- Language (+++, Check Mark, K/S) History (++, K, K/S)
    Score 208- Language (+++, P/K, K/S) History (++, K, K)
    Score 212- Language (+++, K/S, K/S) History (++, K, Check Mark)

    I know i'm struggling in History which is what I studied all weekend and I worked on my constructed responses, I think I did pretty good on 1 of the Language responses and 1 of the history responses. As for the other 2 I responded to one with a sentences and the other I kinda made up.
     
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    TPA unpacks to "Teaching Performance Assessment." If the program doesn't have some provision BEFORE student teaching for you to be videotaped in front of students you know with lessons that you've planned for those students, the demand that you pass 1 and 2 before student teaching is bogus. Have you doublechecked this with your advisor?

    As for CSET I, in fact you've got room for improvement in reading, language & literature as well: the scale for plus marks tops out at ++++. Let me add that what determines passing is not how one does on a specific domain or task, but whether one scrapes together the necessary 220 scaled points overall. Improvement in a domain in which one is already fairly good can do the job.

    With the exception of the first language question when you scored 208, you were given a p diagnostic only once: this means that, except there, your answers have largely been on point. Good!

    The six s's indicate a need for more support for your answers. In reading, language, & literature that often includes citing excerpts from the literature or data from the student's performance along with the general principles on which one's thinking is founded. In history and social science, it means drawing on information you're given (in the case of a scenario that needs to be labeled) or that you recall (in the case of a label that needs to be explicated), and showing good historical reasoning.

    The k's suggest that you're either coming up short in knowledge or not adequately demonstrating the knowledge you've got. The scorers are people who teach the subject matter or who teach people to teach the subject matter; they want to see that you're ready to perform as a fellow professional, and they're looking for professional-sounding responses with a grasp of the subject matter, of the technical terminology, and of the ways that grownups convey their thinking to other grownups. This is part of what distinguishes the "kinda made it up" answer that succeeds from the "kinda made it up" answer that doesn't.

    Let me add that these aren't expected to be essays. Bullet lists work just fine where appropriate.
     
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    My adviser is the one that told me I must have them passed prior to student teaching. Apparently he is no longer with National and I have a new adviser. I left a message for her this morning to determine what my options are.

    For my 4th try at the CSET it seemed to be my most difficult. What I studied was stuff that was on my prior 3 test, NONE of it was on this test so I was completely out of place. For my constructed responses this time I feel that I should at least get 2 check marks. The first test (206) I got a check mark and it was the same question and I feel like I answered it better, with more terminology. The history response was a new question but luckily I had some knowledge on it.
     
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    This is the response I got from my new adviser.

    Hi Sara,

    TPA task 1 and 2 are completed within your core TED credential course work, and do not require classroom experience. Both TPA task 1 and 2 must be passed prior to student teaching

    TPA task 3 and 4 are completed within your student teaching experience and include the classroom experience component.

    If you have specific questions regarding the TPA requirement, I would recommend that you contact our TPA Coordinator
     
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    I heard that you could put in a request ($30) for them to re-evaluate your score. Since you've taken them so many times, and you scored close. I really feel you should look into that.
     
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    I certainly feel your pain! I had passed section 3 on the first try and came up short with the other 2. I then took them again and got a 213/211 I think, then a 216/218. I was so depressed and wanted to quit also. I took the 2nd one again before the test changed and it was the worst one yet. I even wrote "I know I know this but my mind is blank." I already signed up to take it again. But then a MIRACLE happened! I PASSED! I could not believe it! So I am taking subtest 1 on Monday and I'm for sure less anxious about it, but need to brush up this weekend and hope I pass this time! I'm in National's program also and you do need TPA 1 and 2 to student teach. Good luck! This forum is a great resource and encouragement!!
     
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    I find out my 4th try at Subtest 1 scores next Friday and i'm panicking. I don't know what i'll do if I fail it again. I however have a feeling I failed it again :( I walked out crying. I took the Subtest 3 this last Monday and I did fairly well on PE and Human Developed but for Visual arts my questions were based mostly on theater and i studied more for music :( I just hope I pass one to give me some encouragement
     
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    Ignore this advice. You might be able to squeeze a point out on a constructed response, but you aren't going to find 8 missed points.
     
  13. AlwaysAttend

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    What are you studying? Maybe focus on a different medium of materials? If you are reading, switch to videos (or reversed)
     
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    I would also say, wait to see your scores before flipping out. It won't change anything.
     
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    Yes: wait for the score report.
     
  16. Sara Collins

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    Well I'm officially going backwards and 100% discouraged. I received a 201.
    Multiple choice ++,++
    Constructed Response k, ks, k, check

    I don't even know what to do anymore. My brain is fried I have no confidence and I just want to give up
     
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    What is your degree in? Have you considered pursuing a different profession? I would hate for you to keep spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars to keep retaking the same test over and over again, only to come up short. It seems like it is causing you a lot of stress. Maybe consider a different career? Just a thought...
     
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    I have thought of a new career choice but I want to work with children. It's always been a dream of mine to teach Kindergarten. I am terrible at test this isn't why I put college off for so long, to avoid test.

    I haven't had any luck finding videos on the subject as I'm mostly failing on the history part. There's so much history I don't know what to crack down on
     
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    I am not saying that you can't do it, but you said yourself that maybe you should give up. I was just suggesting that if you don't pass the certification tests after several more attempts then you might want to consider other career options. I know there are people who take the test multiple times before they pass, but your mental health is more important. This really seems to be making you miserable.
     
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    SO Sara, I am in the same place. I have passed sub section 2 and 3. I have taken sub section 1 two times and yesterday I found out that I didn't pass the second time. I am also going to national. Maybe we could work together and study?
     
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    I took Subtest 3 but I don't get those results until next Friday. I felt pretty good about the PE and Human Development but mine was mostly Theater for the VA portion and I studied mostly for Music... I'm waiting to take Math and Science until I pass subtest 1 because I am terrible at Math. Where are you located? I'm in Fresno and I just signed up for National's test prep class and there are some good classes in Lemoore I signed up for as well.
     
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    Sara, I would like to get your email or private message you but I don't know how to do that.
     
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    Sara, hugs. Unless the order in which CSET score reports posts results has changed, your checkmark was in history. You've earned a checkmark in history before, too, I see. You're better in history than you think. But the drop in your multiple choice scores from the previous attempts you posted suggests that, among other things, you're suffering from test fatigue. This is fairly common, in fact.

    For CSET-MS 1 history, go to YouTube and look for Crash Course and Hip Hughes History. You can find lots of other resources on Richard Byrne's blog Free Technology for Teachers, www.freetech4teachers.com (and it's a site you'll probably want to know about anyway: lots of goodies for lots of aspects of education).
     
  24. Cec.avery

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    Sara, I understand your frustration. I am going through the same thing currently.. When are you taking the test again?
     
  25. Sara Collins

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    So I decided to give myself a mental break for a bit. My next course at National is US History. There is also a prep class for ELA Novemeber 18th and a prep class for History December 2. I am also signed up to retake subtest 1 on December 2nd. 2 hours after the History prep class.

    I am one of those, if I don't take it right away I will forgot it. Hopefully this gives me a professional refresher in ELA and History and I will study the entire month of November.

    I also get my Subtest 3 test results back today.. Wish my luck. I thought I did well except for the Visual Arts part, I studied more for music and received Art.
     
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    How did you do? I finally passed my 3rd one today! So don't give up!! I took 2 of them 4x! You can do it!!
     
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    I DID IT!!!! Passed Subtest 3 on my first try! This gives me hope even though it’s the easiest one
     
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    I’m so happy for you Sara. Great job! You really needed this. One down, two to go.
     
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    Congratulations, Sara Collins!
     
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    Congrats, Sara! I am a lot like you! I wanted to give up so many times but here I am trying it again. I told myself I give myself this year to try to pass the cset. If I can't then I need to go ahead and move on even though it's my passion. I've been substitute teaching for years and I also have experience in the hotel industry. I wanted to be a teacher since I can remember.... Through the years I've taken many many times this test and I still haven't passed. I score 218,213 217.... so close but not close enough to passing. I know ppl that haven take in 6 times before passing. I'm taking the subtest 2 this Saturday.
     
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    I am so afriad of taking Subtest 2. I am AWFUL at math. I'm going to be looking for a tutor pretty soon for that one. I am retaking Subtest 1 January 8th and hopefully the 5th time is a charm. I am thinking about signing out for teacherstestprep.com. Teachergroupie mentioned that I should switch up my studying. Since i normally use reading as my studying I am now trying videos. Just the little time i've been watching videos seems to be helping me a lot more than reading
     
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    Hi Sara!

    I am struggling to pass my CSETs also. I began my program through Alliant in January 2018. I attempted the whole entire CSET in May and was withinn 5-12 points from passing each subtest. I got a 215 on the History/Reading subtest. I decided to retake the subtests separately and fell short when I scored a 216 for the PE/ Human Dev/Arts subtest. I’m waiting on the results from my History/Reading subtest now and I take my Math/Scince subtest on Friday. Praying for some good news in about 2 weeks.

    I’m desperate for some motivation myself and I know these tests were a struggle for you in the past. Did you ever fully pass the CSET? I’m hoping you reply and say that you did!
     
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    I feel your pain, it took me 3x each to pass the CSET 1&2 , 3 I passed right away. Now I've taken the RICA 2x and missed it at 216. I'm so over these tests! But hang in there you can do it!!
     
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    Thanks for the response and motivation! Do you mind if I ask how many months it took you to pass all 3 tests and officially be done with the CSET?
     
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    Felt like forever! Overall 9 months because you have to wait 45 days to take it. I'm mad at myself that I didn't just take the tests first and then start my program :( Now I'm completely done except for the RICA.
     
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    Hi ladies,

    I just took subtest 3 again and I'm about to re-take subset 2 this Friday. I was close to passing by 2 points but failed. Hopefully I can pass it. How many versions are there to the test? Ive taken it three times this year and I've got different questions. Good luck ladies!
     
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    Congratulations! Do you have an CSET’s left? Other certification tests besides the CSET?
     
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    The good news is that you’re so close to passing as you only need a handful of points to pass for each! Next time, you should know what to expect for the most part and, right now, you should focus on studying those concepts which gave you the most pause. I’m sure you’ll pass next time! Keep it up.

    Good luck and please keep us posted on your progress!
     
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    Sara, I'm in Fresno as well!. Well, Madera, actually.
    I just want to say this: in my opinion most failed attempts with CSET and CBEST and RICA probably have a lot to do with stress. I still don't know how I passed all these tests. Well in a way I do and in a way I don't.
    I don't know how I passed the English CSET, I did all my K-12 schooling in Europe so we didn't focus on American and British Lit as we do in the US, and high school was 20 years prior. And I seriously didn't even know most of the literary terms, because whatever I did learn, wasn't in English. So I had 3 weeks to study and all I had time for was Google and copy all the literary terms I could find. Sonnet, ballad, stanza, etc. seriously. Then I took all 4 subtests, passed 3 and failed the easiest one, but it was a close call. I studied up on it, and passed. I wasn't stressed out a lot, I'm just not a stressed test-taker.

    Then, and here comes the kicker, I took the multiple subject CSET without studying, and all of them in 1 try. I took up all the 5 hours and 3 more minutes (they were about to take my pencil), but the only reason I passed was because I didn't stress because I had nothing to lose (I just wanted to get my mult. subj. credential just in case) and bs-ed my way through a lot using whatever knowledge I did have.
    The RICA was the same thing, but because I had heard a lot of horror stories I did look up a lot of the terms. By that time I took a few 'teaching ESL' classes, and a large part of it was teaching reading. I wasn't stressing, again, I had nothing to lose, but I made sure I over-explained myself on everything. (better than under-explain)

    So there you have it: no stress + bs as much as you have to, using knowledge + over-explain
     

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