Rant about applying for license- need advice

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  1. OhioTeacher216

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    Hi..... I am beyond frustrated and overly emotional right now.

    Background: MA: C&I
    License: K-12 Sped., Reading Endorsement eligible (not added to license; see below).
    Issue: Applying for license

    I am in Ohio and recently advanced my teaching license from the Resident Educator program to a Professional License. I completed the program for TVI (Teacher of Visually Impaired) and went to add that endorsement to my license. In the past, I completed the coursework and passed the two subtests for my reading endorsement (OAE 38 and 39). I did not add it to my license as I thought it was added when I applied for my K-12 Sped. License-- honest mistake.

    As I went to apply for my VI endorsement, the college denied it because, "I did not take the Foundations of Reading OAE" and the two reading subtests I took for my endorsement do not count. I went to apply for my VI license last year but was denied and never received an answer as to why. I reapplied once I was done with the state's resident educator license program and applied for my professional license. My advisors at the college NEVER mentioned I needed to take this exam because I took the courses and the tests for my reading endorsement and they knew that beforehand because they had all my documentation.

    I reached out to my advisor at the program but right now just highly irritated. Any suggestions/ideas as to how I should proceed? I called the state and am currently waiting for a callback from a Licensure Specialist as to the difference between the two tests and why I need to take a foundations tests when I passed the other two. Why would I have to take ANOTHER foundations tests when I took the courses and passed it for the other test.

    I am just very upset and any guidance/suggestions would be appreciated.
     
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  3. Tired Teacher

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    Testing and more coursework is often a money making scheme when you move states or want a new endorsement imo.
    When I came here, I had to take 2 classes and a bunch of tests. ( I'd taught many years elsewhere.) 1 of the courses I had to retake, had been renamed by 2 words, but I doubt the syllabus was any different. I already knew the subject inside and out. I was kind of Poed about having to retake a class that I'd already taken, but the state insisted and I did not have time to battle with them.
    They are super hard to reach here. Employees often quit in droves b/c they are understaffed. Then they get a new team who don't know their jobs yet. It was quicker and easier to take the course than to reach someone who would hear me out and make a common sense decision.
    I hope your state is better. Good luck! Oh, I always sent things to the where they had to sign for them b/c they lost stuff too.
     
  4. viola_x_wittrockiana

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    The testing requirements are wacky. I hold an IL PEL in the clear, but when I went to transfer my license to OH, I was told I was ineligible because I hadn't taken one of the required tests. Ok, that's yucky, but fine, so I ask what I have to take. OH is perfectly fine accepting my content area exam from IL, which is substantively different from OH's, but wouldn't accept the professional teaching exam, which is nearly identical. Same content, both Pearson, the only difference is IL has a higher pass score and an extra written question.

    I'm finding that it's very difficult to locate detailed information on requirements for OH. I was just looking into what it would take to add another content area endorsement, and I couldn't find a clear answer anywhere. I'm thinking I may have to call over to one of the colleges and see if there's someone who can give me the basic info, like exams, semester hours, OH-specific courses. IL is a mess and I'm glad I left, but geez, at least the requirements there are made clear and easy to find.
     
  5. OhioTeacher216

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    As mentioned by Tired Teacher, I think money making is the issue. I am waiting back to hear from the Licensure Specialist, but at the same time, I've reached out to an attorney (I used to work for one) just in case a letter has to be written. From what I've seen, the only difference between the tests are that one is taken in two subtests, while the other is taken in one sitting. Regardless, I've taken the required classes for the Reading Endorsement and took the test for the reading endorsement. At the same time, I've reached out to my classmates who were required to take the reading endorsement classes and tests because they had an old K-8 license and did not take any of the reading endorsement classes to find out when the pertinent information was relayed to them as they had to take the classes and pass the tests before they were able to receive their Certificate of Completion at the end of the program. Not once did any of my instructors or advisors come up to me or send me an email saying, "XXXX, you are required to take OAE 090 for program completion."

    Viola-- I understand your frustrations with the great ol' state of Ohio and the requirements. It seems as if the requirements are different through each person you're in contact with. This whole thing is absurd.
     
  6. catnfiddle

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    I went through something similar when I moved to Ohio from Pennsylvania (which doesn't require the PLT, at least it didn't in 2005). An alternative may be to apply for a long-term substitute license, find a wonderfully understanding principal with a committed RE program, and have your mentor / program coordinator help you jump through the hoops. It isn't ideal, but if you can show your out-of-state certification as well as your temporary Ohio license, it will prove your dedication to getting certified here, at least enough to pull in some interviews.

    tl;dr: Consider a one-year subbing license, get hired on your past know-how, and hope your RESA program has mojo.
     
  7. OhioTeacher216

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    Oh, I am all set with Resident Educator as I passed that and received my professional license. My issue is that when I went through a graduate endorsement program, I was ill-advised that the tests I took for my reading endorsement were not valid although my advisors signed off that they were.... which is leading to me now being told that I have to take the reading endorsement test all over again.... and I bet this all can be fixed with a click of a button.
     

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