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  1. giraffe326

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    I am a 'midwesterner'/yankee living in the south. We often get into disagreements on words and pronunciation.
    Today's argument was over the word 'italian'.
    I am curious if this is a northern/southern thing or what.

    So, how do you say 'italian'? Long i or short i?

    (I even called my sister to make sure she said it the same as me and she does)
     
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  3. clarnet73

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    I use a short i
     
  4. Aliceacc

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    Short i. And, if it helps, I have an Italian last name.
     
  5. SunnyGal

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    I use a short i as well
     
  6. midwestteacher

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    I am a southerner and I also say it with the short i.
    The real test of "Yankeeness" is your pronunciation of "pecan".
    Pee-can or pa-caun?
     
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    Pee-can
     
  8. midwestteacher

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    Giraffe is a true Southerner.

    Giraffee - I used to teach about 45 minutes north of you.
     
  9. SunnyGal

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    Oh, it's definitely pronounced pee-can :)
     
  10. giraffe326

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    I am north of Charlotte so I bet it was less than that :)


    Thinking about 'pecan', I don't say 'pee-can' OR 'pa-caun'. I do a combination. 'Pee-con' :dizzy: Maybe I speak my own language, LOL.
     
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    I lived in Iredell County, but taught in Catawba County.
     
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    I live in Iredell and teach in Rowan.
     
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    Would you say Italy with a long -i ? No. So why would you use it for Italian?

    When I lived in NY, I said pee-can. When I moved to FL, I switched to puh-cahn.
     
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    Giraffe, I also say pee-cahn (kind of a mix of the two)...

    And, it's a short i for me...
     
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    Short i for "italian"

    puh-caun not "pee"can heehee
     
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    I pronounce Italian with a short i.

    But, considering that I said "yeller" instead of "yellow" today, I might not be the best one to ask about pronouncing things.
     
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    LOL This reminds me of the time I went to Texas to visit a friend of mine. My friend's grandmother heard my last name and said, "Is this your EYE-talian friend"? I almost laughed out loud. That was the first time I had ever heard it pronounced that way. I don't really know if this woman thought I was really from Italy or knew I was from NY LOL
     
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    short i...long i sounds ignorant...Do you say EYE-taly for Italy?
     
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    I have never heard "Italian" pronounced with a long I.

    I say both PEE-can and peh-CAWN.
     
  20. SpecialPreskoo

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    short i italian
    puh-cahn (husband says pee-can and we were raised in Alabama, but different areas of it)

    Also - MIRROR... I say mir-rah... but I've heard people pronounce it "meer".
     
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    I'm guilty of that one if I'm not paying attention.

    When I'm teaching my students about different kinds of rhythm in poetry, there is one that they always mark wrong. It took me forever to realize that they were counting "flower" as a one-syllable word . . . pronounced exactly like "flare". :rolleyes:
     
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    LOL Flare... sorta like "tars" on your car.
     
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    I have to admit, I've said it both ways so many times trying to figure out how I NORMALLY say it...that I can't remember how I usually say Italian. However, I do know I say pah-caun.
     
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    short i in Italian
    pee-can
    meer-er (close as I can get)
     
  25. silverspoon65

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    I say short i in Italian.
    Pee-cahn for me too. Must be a mid-Atlantic thing.
    I also say car-mel, not Care A Mel.
     
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    Short I for Italian; puh-cahn; meer-er.

    For a long time I couldnt'f figure out what my class was talking about when they spoke about their "crowns". Turns out to be what I call "cray-ons".
     
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    short i
    pecahns
     
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    lol. I remember my cousin asking one of our aunts to make her a "crown" costume for halloween. My aunt could not figure out how to make her a crown costume, or why you would want to be a crown - did she mean a princess that WEARS a crown?

    Turns out she meant "crayon."
     
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    short i, unless I want to annoy an eye-talian.
     
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    It has been brought to may attention over the years that I saw "ruts" for "roots" and "ruff" for "roof" unless I am really paying attention...That's what I get for learning how to talk while my Okie Granny babysat me!
     
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    New2Grade4, do you mean the shortened u of put rather than the u of putt?

    If so, don't blame your Okie granny: that's a feature of midwestern English generally.
     
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    Yes, I had many strange looks from my southern-accented students after teaching a science lesson on 'roots.' Although I really got them thinking when we talked about how they didn't build houses out of wood or walk on their foot (say both with the long oo sound like in moon...)
     
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    I mean that I learned how to speak with an Oklahoma accent while growing up in Southern California.
     
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    My dad says "warsh" for wash!!!

    THERE IS NO 'R' IN WASH!!!!!!!!!!

    He would always ask me to 'warsh' the dishes. I told him I didn't know how to 'warsh' anything!! :D
     
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    I say things differently and have a slight Jersey accent.
    I am Italian and do say it with a short i.
    my FFIL who is not Italian calls provolone cheese "provelone" I almost died when I heard this. I had no idea what he was talking about and had to ask him! I told my Italian father and grandparents wouldn't approve haha
     
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    In the movie, "Breaking Away", set in Indiana, the dad refers to all the "eenee" food the "eyetees" eat (linguine, fettuccine, etc). I always thought saying Italian with a long i was derogatory, but I guess it's just regional.
     
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    It was derogatory, Special-t, or at any rate the utterance of people for whom Italians were definitely "them" and not "us". Now it's become a marker that a moviemaker can use to signal to us that a character is biased-and-unsophisticated - in other words, definitely "them" and not "us".
     
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    My mom is from Louisianna, and when I would ask for pee-can pie, she would say, "pee can....I don't have any pee cans, but I do have a slop jar!"

    What about battery...is it bat tree or bat er ie.
     
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    We say almost everything funny down here! I had the pecan vs. Peecan argument with someone in college up north, and we solved it when I said, "Do they grow up here? Nope. Then I get to name them." Same thing with praw-leen vs. pray-leen. My mom used to say the second one must mean you feel asleep in church.

    I'm loving watching all of the national Superbowl coverage and hearing announcers try to say some of the names and stuff down here. It's as funny as being here and listening to Bobby Hebert try to speak real English!
     
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    My fuse box is actually labled "warsher and dryer."

    The first Sunday I went to church down here in IN, we were singing a beautiful hymn I had never heard before. It was spoiled, though, when the gentleman behind me sang out, "Oh, warsh me in His precious blood..."
     
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    LOL It's not just you. I saw peecan and was all :confused:. Here, a lot of people say peecon. I'm in the north east. Despite saying peacon, I always thought the proper way to say it was "pa-caun". A lot of cooks on tv seem to say pa-caun.
     

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