Principal walkthrough when I had a sub

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    Can a principal do a walkthrough when you have a sub? I received an email that I had a new evaluation on a day when I was out for a dr appt. When I checked, it indicated I had a sub and class was loud and disruptive.
     
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    A principal can do a walkthrough whenever he wants, but I really doubt that he can use what he sees for evaluation purposes if you're not there to evaluate. What does your contract (or state law) say about evaluations? Do you belong to a union?
     
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    That's AMAZING.
     
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    If he asks you to sign an evaluation that's based on the behavior of the classroom and not on the content of your lesson plans left for your substitute, do you still have to sign it? I would ask about that.
     
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    This is not the first time this particular administrator has done this (left a negative evaluation for a teacher regarding students’ behavior with a sub). It was a walkthrough (so not like my official observation), but she still put it into the system under my name hence the automated evaluation email I received. I’m going to speak to her about it first but may end up going to my union. It’s kind of just blowing my mind right now!
     
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    I try very hard to visit every classroom that has a sub. I remind the students to show PRIDE (our schoolwide PBIS behavior acronym).

    If the students are well-behaved when I walk in, I might shoot the teacher an email. If they’re being uncharacteristically rowdy, I’ll let the teacher know (usually in person) that I had to give them a reality check.
     
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    I'm a current substitute while finishing my CSETs, and although I haven't had a Principal in my class, I have had other administration, including a VP come in. It's always been in good faith though. My last instance was because the VP was aware a certain period was historically rowdy, and came by to make sure they were on their best behavior for me.
     
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    What?
     
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    Definitely go through your union. This would never happen at my school. Sounds like you have an incompetent principal.
     
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    I don't think they can use it against you. You can have the best kids, best behavior system in the system and it all falls apart when a sub walks in.
    I think they could use
    - lesson plans you left
    - notes you left for the sub, including the description of the behavior system

    Other than that, how can you be responsible for something when you're not there?
     
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    You are exactly correct!
     
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    Definitely go to union
     
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    Definitely contact your union. If the sub had been doing an amazing lesson and there was 100% engagement with the students, would that also be part of your evaluation? Or does she only hold you to the bad? Either way, someone else's teaching cannot be part of YOUR teaching evaluation.
     
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    Side note, but I think it's awesome how involved you are. It's great that you take the time to visit classrooms regularly.
     
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    This is a valid point.

    I think it's fine for admin to be in your classroom, but if there was a problem or if things were going well, it should have been an email or conversation.
     
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    I don't know how it works in your district/state, so take this for what it's worth.But I don't think a visit to a union rep is warranted. Nor getting upset. If this isn't part of your evaluation it doesn't matter, does it? Sounds like the principal was documenting all of his observations that day. When he got to your class he commented on the students' behavior (maybe that was what he was looking for that day) and noted that you were not there to manage it. I wouldn't assume anything negative at all. But if you're in doubt, ask him.
     
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    A principal who does this kind of stuff is probably hilarious to work with.
     
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    As a sub, I've certainly had principals come in for a quick sit and check on things. I take it as a great sign of support. But, it would make absolutely no sense to formally evaluate a teacher based on the time.
     
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    WHat does PRIDE stand for?
     
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    Must be a national thing or something, the district I work in uses the same thing and I have seen same acronym and meaning in other districts!
     

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