preliminary teaching credential

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  1. BASUDHA MUKHERJ

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    Hi,

    I applied for the preliminary teaching ( I am from India and my total study was completed there) credential. Now, can anybody tell me is there any possibility to get hired with preliminary teaching credential in CA?
    If so, what might be the starting salary for a science teacher? Any idea will be appreciated.

    Thanks.

    -basudha
     
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  3. Malcolm

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    Yes, it is possible to get a job with a preliminary credential. That is what all new teachers graduating from credential programs in California do.

    Starting salary for a science teacher is generally exactly the same as the starting salary for any other teacher except special ed. It varies from district to district. IIRC I have seen beginning salaries ranging from roughly $34,000 to $43,000 depending on the district. If you have more education than just a bachelor's degree, you might start a bit higher.
     
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    Thank you Malcom. I applied through Fremont Unified school dist and they put the date 2nd Feb. They told me that I could get a teaching position after that specified date. So, in the mean time my processing will be on and I will clear the required fields if any--- am I right?
    cctc doesn't accept experience certificate, so I couldn't submit any. I just submitted my academic transcript. I do not know what will happen, I am bit nervous about the process.

    Thanks--- Basudha
     
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    Yes, if you get hired, the district will request a temporary permit from the County Office of Education to allow you to be paid until the CTC makes a decision. My guess is that you won't hear from the CTC until close to the beginning of summer considering how fast they seem to be processing paper applications. But who knows? Good luck!
     
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    Hi Malcom,

    Could you suggest me some courses which will be helpful to increase the money for a CA science single subject school teacher?
    As I told you before, I am going through the processing of preliminary teaching credential. I have small kids at home. Right now, I cannot go to work. I do tution at home. My schooling was not here. So please give me some ideas about the courses I could do online to enrich my pay check/knowledge in future. In the mean time, I am giving CSET (118, 119) in this coming March.

    Thanks--- Basudha
     
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    Malcolm, you mentioned that "Starting salary for a science teacher is generally exactly the same as the starting salary for any other teacher except special ed". Do speciel ed teachers make more in general? I heard that the only difference CA makes for Special Ed teachers is that they get 5 thousand dollars extra for the first year (like a bonus for starting a career).
     
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    Perhaps that was too broad a generalization. It really depends on the contract that the union has negotiated with the district. I think in some there is actually no difference at all. The point I was trying to make is that there is nothing special about the pay of science teachers.

    As far as what kind of courses to take to increase you salary, as a general rule, I would say to start on your master's degree in education or an academic field.
     
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    Hi Malcolm,

    Is there any chance to get rejected for priliminary teaching credential? I submitted week before last week from unified school dist. Now, it will go to county office. Then it will be sent to state after reviewing the documents. But my livescan came back and I resent it.

    -basudha
     
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    Hi Malcolm,

    I have an another question Please help me by giving your suggestions.
    I did my evaluation in 2002 from IERF. After that, I got several family problem and some other problems for which I couldn't think about working. I did tutoring at home. Now I am dedicated to work and got some online courses from Cerrocoso online. I got 21 units in total and all are education related. I did those for my personal enrichment. Those are not written in my evaluation.
    Now, I am thinking to include those. I already sent the form to CTC. So, when would I apply the transcript for those online classes? Are these helpful? Let me know please.

    Thanks--- Basudha
     
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    I would request some suggestions from anybody since I need this information.--- Basudha
     
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    I think you need to ask a credential specialist.
     
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    There is always a chance of having an application for a preliminary credential rejected. If you do not meet all the requirements for issuance of a credential, your application is rejected. In Californa, a preliminary credential is essentially a full teaching credential, not one that lets you teach until you have meet the requirements for a full credential. The only preliminary thing about it is that to get a clear credential, you have to complete the Beginning Teachers Support and Assessment program and a few other minor requirements.

    Like TG says, you need to talk to a credential analyst about the extra coursework.
     
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    credential question

    Hi Malcom,

    I got my preliminary teaching credential just last week.

    I have some questions.

    1. The credential is on Bio science. Can I still teach in elementary school as a science teacher?

    2. If I pass the CSET gen science,can I teach in elemenatary school after that?

    3. No matter what, I do not want to start my career from high grade level. So, what should I do now? If I am not hired by elementary school as a science teacher, what do you suggest me to do?

    4. I was planning to take fundamental math CSET test. It is algebra. Could you tell me the appropriate domain for that please?

    5. I am told to do BTSA under R14D and R14T in my credential. What does that BTSA mean?

    6. If I pass any CSET which I don't have the major on (like MATH), still can I be hired by any school district?

    I will look forward to hearing from you.

    Thank you- Basudha
     
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    Congratulations on the award of your preliminary teaching credential!

    1. You can teach at any grade level as long as it is in a departmentalized setting where you only teach biology. However, I think this would be unlikely in most elementary schools in California.

    2. IMHO adding the general science authorization might help if you can find a school where they do team teaching, for example you do science, and other teachers share the other subjects.

    3. Have you considered middle school? Single subject credentials are intended primarily for middle school and high school. Middle school students still have some of the sweetness left in them, although they can be a handful when it comes to classroom management.

    4. I think you are referring to the Foundational-level Mathematics subject matter authorization. You have to pass the first two subtests of CSET Mathematics. This includes traditional high school algebra, linear algebra, abstract algebra, geometry, probability and statistics. The Subject Matter Requirements documents on the CSET site, and the referenced content standards, spell out fairly explicitly what is covered.

    5. BTSA stands for Beginning Teacher Support and Assessment. It is a two year program that all new teachers in California are enrolled in when they are hired. The details vary from district to district. But basically you meet with a mentor and take some classes.

    6. Yes, if you pass CSET Mathematics, you qualify for a subject matter authorization in mathematics on your credential and can teach mathematics. Many teachers do not have majors in the subjects they teach. Some show their subject matter competency by passing CSET, others by having a certain number of college units in the subject.
     
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    Thank you!

    Thank you Malcom. You are very helpful and resourceful at the same time.

    So, to teach Math in middle school, I have to pass subtest 110 and 111 in the CSET? Correct me if I am wrong.

    Thank you again-- Basudha
     
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    Yes, subtest 110 and 111 will do it. If you have 20 college units in math, or 10 upper division college units in math, you can also get a supplementary authorization in Introductory Mathematics on top of your current credential which lets you teach through 9th grade math.
     
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    We LOOOOOOVVVVVEEEEEEE science teachers!
     
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    Hmmm, looking more carefully, although you can get a subject matter authorization with 10 or 20 units, you wouldn't be considered highly qualified under NCLB. It would take 32 units for that.
     
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    I have 94 Biology units and 35 units in Education according to the IERF who did my evaluation. One school dist asked me if I am under NCLB or not. I didn't understand that question. What should I say from now on?
     
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    Besides, here I want to do Master degree online. Which university will be the good one to choose please?
     
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    The school was asking whether you are consider "highly qualified" under the No Child Left Behind Act (NCLB). You are "highly qualified" in biology by virtue of having a bachelor's degree, a credential, and having passed CSET Biology. You are not considered highly qualified in any other subject. Teachers of core subjects like math, English and science are required to be "highly qualified".
     
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    Hi,

    What is Science Resource Teacher position please? I got a phone call from my neighborhood school district regarding this position. I couldn't reach that person. I will talk to her on Monday. I was curious to know about the responsibilities of that position in elementary school please.

    Thanks--- Basudha
     
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    I passed the subtest 1 science test which I took on 19th May. It was the first time and was confident about it.

    What would I do with the result now? Should I send it to CCTC for the upgrade?

    Let me know and suggest me to get prepared for subtest 2 please.

    Thanks-- Basudha
     
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    Basudha, as soon as you pass all of the subtests of your exam, the results will be forwarded to CCTC automatically.
     
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    So, you mean the general science group--- right? I passed subtest 1, I need to take subtest 2 for gen science completion--- correct me if I am wrong. I have preliminary credential on Bio science. So, I have to pass subtest 3 (120) anyways before 2012.

    Thanks-- Basudha
     
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    Hi Basudha,

    I happened to read your posts just now by chance. I don't know how, but I missed all your posts in the last few days, although I am pretty regular on this forum. After reading your posts about getting the preliminary credential, I had a few questions. I would really appreciate it if you could please respond to them.

    As far as I know, to get a preliminary credential (at least in CA), you have to go through a teacher preperation program at a CTC approved college or university. I was wondering whether you had to do so? Or did you get the preliminary credential without attenting a college here? If so, how? Did you have a degree in education or teaching experience from your country? I would be grateful if you could respond in detail on how this process works.

    By the way, congrats on getting the credential. Science and math teachers are in demand- you should not have any problem in getting a job!

    Good luck.
     
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    I have both my degrees in Biology and in Education from India.

    -Basudha
     
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    Thanks for the response, Basudha!

    BTW, how did your interview go? I had replied to your other post as well (regarding taking the teaching material during an interview). Hope it went well.

    Best wishes!
     
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    It was not that well. while taking the interview, I realized that they were not that interested to take mine. Probably I am not able to draw their attention.

    I have to go through different tips, OR I think I might have to start my career from subbing. This might give me enough confidence to pursue.

    I will work on that. Please give me any suggestion regarding this matter.

    -Thanks-- Basudha
     
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    Basudha,

    I sent you a PM just now.
     

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