Praxis II scores raw/scaled?

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  1. journogirl

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    Those were my scaled scores! I'm over the moon!
     
  2. TeacherGroupie

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    Congratulations!
     
  3. Beth Conard

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    So I know that everyone seems to have the same concern or question, but posting helps anyway. I took the Praxis 5038 today and my *raw score at the end was 189. This seems to be the scaled score, not raw score. I need a 167 for PA and I want to pop the champange, but am nervous to celebrate just yet. The questions were only multiple choice. The official results will be out in 10 days, but who can wait that long these days!!
     
  4. Beth Conard

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    Did you get your official scaled score yet?
     
  5. TeacherGroupie

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    BethConard, I agree that it's a bit soon to pop the cork - but buying and icing the champagne wouldn't be out of order.
     
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    Hello everyone! I just took the art content 5134. Passing score is 158. At the end of the test, raw score showed 164. I understand the scoring is scaled but if each item is 2 points, that means I only got 82 correct out of 120. Does this mean I didn't pass the test? :-( Please advise.
     
  7. TeacherGroupie

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    Praxis content-knowledge tests normally give one raw point per correct response, not two points. If your raw score had been given, it would be less than 120 (and I say "less than" because a certain number of questions aren't counted: those questions are being field tested for inclusion in future versions of the test).

    In short, your 164 is an unofficial scaled score, and it would be surprising if your official score report gave a different official score.
     
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    Hi all. I've read through all of the comments. I took the praxis 5038 today, and after the test a Raw Score: 168 & then the sectioned scores that equaled 79. I'm thinking out of 130 questions, I got 61% correct & that may come out to a 161 scaled score. I need a 167... Any advice. I may just sign up to take the test again next week before this testing window ends. Ugh...
     
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  9. TeacherGroupie

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    Your raw score is 79: the raw score is the total number of selected responses you got right. 5038 has 130 questions, yes, but not all of them are actually counted either for or against you (see the last line of page 5 of the Study Companion). It follows that 168 is almost certainly your scaled score.
     
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  10. Jonesy3

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    I just barely too the science praxis 5005. There were 50 questions on the test. I need a 159 to pass. I got three raw scores from the three sections on the test. They were 14,12 and 12. That would be 38 total raw points. Would anyone know if that would be a passing score?
     
  11. TeacherGroupie

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    That's just short of 80% correct, assuming that no questions are "pre-test" questions (that is, not scored because they're being field tested). Creature of caution that I am, I'll say that I think your chances are good.
     
  12. jmc

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    I took the praxis 5005 yesterday and got a NS. My raw score was 32. 13, 8, and 11. I got a 64 percent overall when I divided 32/50. Colorado needs 159 for passing. Hoping I passed.
     
  13. TMJR

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    I have taken three Praxis II Tests in the past 4 months. Fortunately, I passed them all. I am from Pennsylvania. I got a 173 on the 5038 (English/LA) 110 questions were scored and I got 82 correct, which is 75%, a 148 on the 5221 (Communications) 100 questions and got 57 correct, which is 57%, and a 163 on the 5122 (FCS) 104 questions and I got 78 correct, which is 75%. I was reading on another website dealing with praxis ii subject tests where the person is saying that your scaled score is the percent you got correct plus 100 (plus or minus 1 or 2 points). I did write to the person giving the person my information and asking for an explanation because I couldn't understand the person's logic, and, of course, I got no response. I guess I'm wondering your thoughts on this because if you look at my scores the only one that is even close to what the person says is the 5038. I should have got a 157 in the Communications and a 175 in the FCS if the person's logic is correct. I'm not asking anyone to take sides with anyone. I am just wondering how this person can justify saying that when my scores clearly don't show it to be the percentage correct plus 100. Do you have any insight into this? Any response would be very much appreciated. I'm planning to take the Health Education (5551) test in the next few weeks and I need a 158. Do you know or can you speculate the approximate percentage of questions I need to get correct to pass that test? Or is there anyone else in the forum who might be able to share his/her score with the number correct. Thanks.
     
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    I just took the Business Education test, 5101. My score that popped on the screen was 182. Then below it, the screen displayed my raw score of the questions I got right. I'm assuming that is my scaled score because I had 120 questions. The ETS range of average scores is 164-182 based on the UYSP file I downloaded. So, I celebrated early. I saw how many I got right in each category and most were over 75% .
     
  15. TeacherGroupie

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    Congratulations! Yes, 182 certainly sounds like your scaled score.
     
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    Thanks! I'm glad this thread is still active. It helped me today.
     
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    TMJR, congratulations on passing your Praxis exams so far. You're right to be skeptical about passing scores directly representing percentages of raw points earned. Versions of a subtest inevitably differ among themselves in difficulty, and scaling is intended in part to compensate for that.
     
  18. TMJR

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    Thanks so much for the reply. I appreciate it. I seem to trust your thinking much more.
     
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    TMJR, flattery will get you... well, as far as I'm willing to crawl out on a limb. What I've seen over the years suggests that most teacher tests can be passed with approximately 2/3 of available points before nonscoring points are deducted from the total (which would be likelier to raise the final percentage than lower it, for the reason that the nonscoring questions are the ones that are likeliest to be weird and therefore difficult to answer). Your results for 5221 are about consistent with my observations, I think. From what you've said of 5122 and 5221, which are also 120-question tests, I think you'll see between 100 and 104 scoring questions, and if you get 66 to 68 of those right I'd expect you to pass (and possibly to pass comfortably). Below 60% is iffy, and more precisely than that, I prefer not to speculate.

    Let me give you some tips for free:
    1. Except on a fairly stupid teacher test, most questions won't just ask you to parrot definitions: they'll ask you to reason - to think - using the foundational principles of the subject matter and, possibly, your understanding of the needs of the students involved.
    2. A multiple-choice answer is the right answer only if it is less wrong than all the other answers. A given multiple-choice answer may make a statement about bobbin tension and middle-school students; if the scenario in the question stem is instead about hand embroidery and high-school students, or gluing and elementary students, the multiple-choice answer is almost certainly wrong.
    3. If either the test outline in the Study Companion or your state's content standards for FCS mentions some skill or procedure about which you're a little vague, look it up on the Internet - Wikipedia is a lovely resource - and then practice explaining it to yourself with all its technical terminology. The more you use the terminology, the more it's yours - and you should find that this helps your future teaching as well.
     
  20. TMJR

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    Thank you again for the valuable information. I agree that most questions are not simply just giving back information that was memorized. I also found that in some cases, if you have good common sense and judgment, the answer "sticks right out" at you. Thanks again. I will be taking the Health Education test next Saturday (Nov. 12, 2016).
     
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    I recently took the Praxis 5005 (Science) and my raw score was 33/50. I need a 159 to pass and I need it passed by the 15th of this month. Any chance I pulled it off?
    I tried to compare my scores to others I have seen, however I cant really find an actual pattern for grading. Any help is so appreciated!! Thanks.
     
  22. TeacherGroupie

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    Welcome to A to Z, Andria0175.

    Between 5005 being a test for elementary teachers and it being part of 5001, it's covered in the Multiple Subject Tests subforum, and in several threads there.

    I think your chances of having passed aren't awful.
     
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    I need a 159 also! I got 33/50 and I'm biting my nails. I sure hope you passed!
    Thanks! I will check out the other threads. I don't know if my nerves will handle 15-20 days of waiting.
     
  24. TeacherGroupie

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    Hugs. I remember when the wait was closer to 30 days.
     
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    I was curious if you received your scores yet? My score wasn't far from yours and I'm sweating bullets. lol
     
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    Hi - is there anyone out there that would be willing to share your scores with me for the PA Core Grades 4-8 Praxis Test. I will be taking the test in January - all three parts in one day - the Pedagogy (5153), the ELA/Social Studies (5154), and Math/Science (5155). I need a 162 in the Pedagogy, a 152 in ELA/Social Studies, and a 164 in the Math/Science. What I am really looking for is what raw score do I need in each of those areas to pass the tests? If anyone can help, I would really appreciate it. Thanks for taking your time to read this.
     
  27. Prisha

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    Hi there, I just recently took Praxis 2 for special education and at the end of the exam I got a bunch of numbers showing the different categories I got the answers correct in. The numbers added up to 85 and the passing score is 151. Can someone tell me if I would pass or not? really worried.....would appreciate your comments! thanks ;-)
     
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    So, I just took my Praxis 2 (5018) today for the second time. I'm such a horrible test taker but I felt confident today. So the first time I took it I made 27/13/5/12 in reading language arts, math, social studies and science. My score was 143 and I didn't pass. I needed a 163. Fast forward to today I made a 25/22/12/14 in those core areas. I got a score but with raw scores included as well.

    Is there any crazy possible way that I passed this exam? And if someone understands the scoring process, would you care to help me understand it?

    Thanks!
     
  29. TeacherGroupie

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    Your first total score was 57. Your total score yesterday was 73. That's a fine improvement, and the increases in math and social science are quite nice. Even if you didn't pass, you'll have come close in ways that tell me that you do have the capacity to pass this thing, and you should take pride in that.

    Scaled scores exist because test questions inevitably differ in difficulty - if you ever compose a quiz, you'll learn that it's a challenge to write even two questions that are exactly equivalent in difficulty, let alone a whole quiz worth. And each test or subtest exists in more than one version. So a raw score of 57 on the version of 5018 that you took earlier might not (and probably does not) reflect exactly the same level of performance as a raw score of 57 on the version you took yesterday. But for the results to be meaningful, we need numbers that CAN be compared directly. The algorithm that converts raw scores to scaled takes a number of factors into account; the result is that the 143 that you earned earlier CAN be directly compared to the kind of performance that would have gotten you a 143 yesterday.
     
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    Thank you for replying! I am just worried I will start declining in scores as I repeat the test. I took the core math 7 times and declined in my scores before passing. I received a score yesterday after my test, which was 151 but was told that it could possibly change at the testing center. I just want to pass and get on with my teaching degree.

    Any study materials that you would recommend?
     
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    Hm. You hadn't mentioned the 151 before.

    What study materials have you been using?
     
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    I've been using the Cirrus
    Praxis II Elementary Education Content Knowledge (5018): Study Guide with Practice Test Questions.
     
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    Dorling Kindersley has a fairly new book, How to be good at math. It costs $20 (can't remember whether it was at my local Costco or at Barnes & Noble), and it's really helpful. The math explanations on either Khan Academy (www.khanacademy.org) or Math is Fun (www.mathsisfun.com) are likely to be helpful.
     
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    Hi so I recently took my 4-8 Middle Level Math Cert, test 5138. I received a score of 171 at the end of the test on the screen. According to the website I need a 173 to pass. Is there anyway that this score could change? Or am I just having tough luck and missing the score by so little? The test had 60 questions
     
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    Hugs. You wouldn't be the first person not to pass by so small a margin. Your best bet, rather than challenging the score, is to take stock of what you know solidly and what you don't and then to work to shore up your knowledge where it's weak. If you've studied primarily out of test-prep books, try resources that focus more on the math, such as Khan Academy.
     
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    Do you know anything in regards to the GPA-Praxis requirement scores?
     
  37. TeacherGroupie

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    I assume this means that it's possible to get away with a score a few points below the standard passing score provided one's GPA is high enough. That sort of thing tends to vary from state to state; if it applies to you, it will be reflected on your official score report.
     
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    Does anyone know if PA how you qualify to use the GPA-Praxis Score Scale?
     
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    You qualify by taking the test for a state that allows it; it gets applied automatically, but only for a state that allows it. I don't see an indication on the Praxis website that Pennsylvania is one of those states, though it's certainly not impossible.
     
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    I found it on the state website, but i am not sure if I qualify
     

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