Praxis II scores raw/scaled?

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    Praxis II scores raw/scaled? Confused, Did I pass?

    I recently took the SPED Praxis II I have to have a 151 ( I am guessing this is a scaled score) to pass in my state - AR. It was 120 multiple choice questions. When the test was over on the screen it showed a total raw score 180. How do I know if I passed or not?
     
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    The raw score is the number of points earned, and for multiple choice questions that's usually one point per question. Since this test has 120 multiple choice questions, I find myself suspecting that that 180 is a scaled score. (I'll add that most Praxis and Pearson multiple-choice teacher tests and subtests include between two and ten multiple choice questions that are "non-scoring": they don't count, because they're being tested for inclusion in future tests.)

    If 180 is a raw score based on two points per question, that would mean 90 questions correct out of that 120, which is still 75% correct and probably enough to pass.

    But please don't pop the corks on your celebratory bubbly till you receive the official score report.
     
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    Raw score

    If I need a minimum of 161 to pass my praxis 5038 what would be the minimum raw score I could get to pass? I take my test next week, and am really nervous. Seems like it's really tough to pass this. I've studied all summer
     
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    Welcome to A to Z, Emmittsk22. Ready for a complicated answer?

    Scaled scores exist because any given Praxis test exists in multiple versions, and these versions inevitably vary in difficulty. (Why "inevitably"? Try writing even two test questions that are EXACTLY equivalent in difficulty.) Rather than trying to make the test versions equivalent in difficulty, the test makers use scaled scores, so that each score of 161 on any version of a specific test represents the same level of achievement. But that level of achievement can require a different number of questions correct, depending on whether the questions involved are easy or difficult.

    You're still probably feeling daunted. Let me point out that that score of 161 is on a scale that runs from 100 to 200. Draw yourself a number line and plot 161 on it, and you'll see that that comes nowhere near acing the test. It's generally the case for teacher tests that getting 2/3 of questions correct will suffice.

    For 5038, you might do well to look at the threads here for other states' tests of English language and literature, plus the thread "Elmer's English resources", in which you'll find a couple of glossaries that might be useful.
     
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    Raw Scores/comments

    Ok. This helped, and thank you for the additional resources!

    So when I see my raw score flash on my screen once I complete my test, how do I determine whether or not I've passed? Is there a specific "formula" or a way to get a general idea?

    I'm just not feeling good about my chances after reading so many different posts from folks who haven't passed. I just don't understand why this has to be such a hard test-I'm thinking there are some valuable teaching candidates out there being held back by inability to pass these tests. I've taught for 27 years, and am taking this to get certification outside of special education. Studying has left me feeling so inadequate, yet I know that I'm an excellent teacher.
     
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    Hugs, Emmittsk22. Do bear in mind that one tends to hear horrible things about these tests from precisely those who struggle with them. If you were a decent test taker Back In The Day, you're probably in better shape than you think.

    I'll also point out that a test like this is very much less about how good you are as a teacher overall than it is about your grasp of the subject matter in question - and this is true even if the questions are framed in terms of teaching scenarios. If you haven't been teaching the subject matter so much, you have some work to do, sure... but that is not at all the same thing as being inadequate as a teacher, so please redirect your mind when it tries to drag you there.
     
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    Thank you

    Thank you for your kind words. Part of my problem is I am an "overthinker" and usually don't do as well as I should on standardized tests. Even "back in the day", I was not a good test taker. :help:
    When taking the practice tests, due to my over analyzing and lack of self confidence at this point, I find myself missing a few questions that I should've known. Now, there are also questions that really throw me for a loop-and so for those types, I'm hoping I am a good guesser next week.:)
    I'm just hoping for the best at this point. I don't care whether or not I get in the top percentile. I just want to do well enough to pass!
     
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    More hugs. Don't TAKE the test, then: TEACH it. Imagine that either your favorite student or your favorite colleague is taking the test, this person is truly suffering over this test, and your job is to serve as the guide on the side, ensuring that this poor benighted soul doesn't go off the rails and doesn't miss the stuff that currently has you hitting yourself over the head.
     
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    I did get my official results today for my praxis II I passed. The 180 was the scaled score. YAY!!! That is a relief.
     
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    Congratulations, Football fan!
     
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    Hi!

    I took the Praxis 5038 test today. It displayed a raw score of 86.

    I read online, "ETS provides a recommended passing score from the multistate standard-setting study to help education agencies determine an appropriate operational passing score. For the Praxis English Language Arts: Content Knowledge test, the recommended passing score1 is 79 out of a possible 110 raw-score points. The scaled score associated with a raw score of 79 is 167 on a 100–200 scale."

    I would post the source, but since I am new, I cannot post links, yet.

    Therefore, is it safe to "assume" I passed?
     
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    I would say congrats! Nicely done. You should be free and clear.
     
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    Sounds good, TeachersKid.
     
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    I passed! When I finished my test, the computer screen flashed a raw score of 176, and I just received my scores from ets and it's official. So I'm now out of special Ed and have moved into my new teaching assignment! Thanks for all the encouragement from this forum!
     
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    Congratulations!
     
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    Hey! Emmittsk22 I am so glad that you passed! I was just wondering what studying tools that you used? Is there any recourses that you can share with me?
     
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    Welcome to A to Z, marissatraer.

    I'll repeat the advice I gave Emmittsk22 a few posts ago:

    "For 5038, you might do well to look at the threads here for other states' tests of English language and literature, plus the thread "Elmer's English resources", in which you'll find a couple of glossaries that might be useful."

    What's your background in English literature or language?
     
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    Quizlet is really good. Also there is a website, praxis prep.com that is good to help you become familiar with how questions are asked. Ets has some free PDF study guides that are helpful, but stick with free stuff. Don't waste your money on expensive books. The only thing I bought was one of the tests off of praxis prep, but you're allowed one free test. If you're taking the ELA test in content knowledge, know your poetry. Good luck!
     
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    So I just took my NJ theatre praxis II exam (need a 153 to pass)
    At the end of my test it said my raw score was 180... how is this possible when only 120 questions were available. Arent they each 1 point? It should have said Something below 120 right? Did I get an "unofficial" scaled score?
     
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    Yes. Congratulations.
     
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    Im sorry was that yes for me lynettstoy?
     
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    Yes, and congrats on the passing score! :)
     
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    I took the Earth & Space Science (5571) exam last Thurs. I have not looked at the material since finishing graduate school 19 yrs ago. I felt comfortable on the test, however, at the end I got the NS but was able to count up the raw score 85 out of 125. I had a terrible sinking feeling since I studied very hard the last four weeks. 85/125 gives me 68%. I need a scaled score of 147 in KY. I hope I can pass, it's going to be close. Retiring from the military and doing Troops to Teachers. Waiting for the scaled score is not fun. Thanks
     
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    Hugs, Combatboots, and thanks for your service.

    I'll express cautious optimism on your behalf. The 147 you need is on a scale from 100 to 200, which suggests that one can pass with a relatively low number of available points.
     
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    The raw score isn't actually out of 125. According to my score report on the physics exam, only 100 questions counted. So that's an 85/100 and you probably passed with a score in the 180's.
     
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    I recently took the Praxis II for English Content Knowledge. There were 130 questions on the Exam, however several of the questions contained embedded questions so that 130 may have actually been quite a few more. My raw score was 191 but I have no idea how to convert that into a scaled score. I see that a minimum score of 167 scaled is needed to pass. Can anyone make sense of this?
     
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    191 is odd as a raw score - Praxis content knowledge exams are strictly multiple choice and as a rule the raw score is one point per question (or, if the embedded questions count separately, at least half the questions would have had to have embedded components). Now you've got me curious, abrontefan: I look forward to hearing your scaled score.

    But I think you're probably in good shape, especially with a username like that.
     
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    I don't think that it is giving away too much to say, that there were questions where we had to "drag and drop" the author's name next to their respective literary movement. We also had questions where we had to check all that applied. I wouldn't be surprised to find that there were actually 200 questions overall. I'll post my results next week.
     
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    Oho, abrontefan: questions like those might well account for 200 raw points, yes. In which case 191 is certainly a plausible raw score - and a very promising one. (Recall that scaled scores run on a scale from 100 to 200 and passing scores don't exceed 175 (most are in the mid-160s). If a raw 191 doesn't translate into something higher than 175 scaled, I will be surprised (and not pleasantly).
     
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    Hello Combatboots,

    Any update on your test score?
     
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    Raw Score on the Praxis II: History 5941

    In Alabama, I have just finished my PRAXIS II: World and US History: Content Knowledge, 5941. I made a 183, as a raw score. Should I celebrate or dread the coming scaled results, with Alabama's cutoff being at 143 for scaled scores? I feel like I'm in the clear; but, a second opinion never hurt anyone, right?
     
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    The Test Companion for this test indicates that there are 150 multiple-choice questions. It's standard that each question count for one raw point, so your score of 183 is unlikely to be a raw score. I'd say that congratulations are in order.
     
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    Mmmm... The test I took today had 120 questions, multiple choice. No matter, THANK YOU! THANK YOU!!!
     
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    I reread the Test Companion, and you're right about the 120 questions. The Historical Thinking Skills questions are scattered in among the four domains. (Praxis should have set that chart up somewhat differently.)
     
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    Hey all - I took the Physics Praxis (5265) -- 125 multiple choice questions -- yesterday, got a score of 168. Any idea if this looks scaled or raw? If its raw, the odds of it going down when scaled are slim right? Passing score for me is a 141, so I feel safe.

    Thanks for everyone's help!
     
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    That sounds like a scaled score, yes.
     
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    Congratulations!
     
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    Awesome, thanks a bunch I appreciate it!
     
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    I took Praxis II 5543 Special Ed Mild to Moderate on Nov 2, 2015. I got the book and took the online test. Based on the pretest and the book, I expected the test to be easy. It was not. Only 2 of the 90 questions looked familiar. Most of the multiple choice had two right answers, one better than the other. The practice test I took was very simple and common sense. They did not give me ANY information immediately after the test like a raw score on my 90 multiple choice questions. It is Dec 1st and I still have no idea how I did? I will know this week if I passed. I need 158 to pass and I have no idea what that would entail? Some people say 2/3 correct or 3/4? Others say 77% or better will pass the test?
     
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    what is the scaled score for 30 / 40 raw points? I just took my elementary math praxis ii today.
     

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