Praxis II Math 0061 - raw vs. scaled

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  1. chasisaac

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    First of all you should not have much of a problem. It is amazing how much we learn when we teach.

    Second this scale WORKS! (EDIT: Uhm no it does not. I am still working and have found a cache of scores.)

    Let me do a tish more testing and I will post on the usability of the table.
     
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    But questions, and therefore weightings of questions, vary from one version or edition of the test to another.
     
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    I have just taken the praxis 0061 yesterday . It was too hard for 2 hours only . the test is designed to look complicated and test the real performance of a beginner math teacher . No book really can cover the real level of difficulty of every question in this test . Just give me some time and I can "design " an equivalent test of 50 long complicated math questions and use it to torture test takers in two hours to make them feel helpless and unprepared to become math teachers . I would like to see these test designers sit down to take a test designed by I and the other test takers .
     
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    You and everyone else who has suffered a PRAXIS (TExAS, CBEST, et el) test. Oh and if they do not pass the test, after hanging in limbo for four weeks (why so long?), they are fired from their job. :lol:
     
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    I'd like to know whether these statistics reflect attempts at the test or unique test takers; a great many people require more than one attempt to pass, so it's important to define exactly who and what we mean by "test passer".
     
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    It is test attempts not unique test takers. And the other problem with the stats is they did not take a number and make it passing. Or the average of the passing score for all states. So the (2011 passing scores) a 123 (42%) in MS is equal to a 141 (54%) in DE, DC, (156 in CO, 147 in VA who no longer accept the Praxis). That is a six question difference.
     
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    Virginia accepts the Praxis.
     
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    Wow, I thought they got rid of it a few years ago and went the way of CA, FL, and TX
     
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    Virginia stayed with Praxis for everything but VCLA (basic skills) and VRE (reading instruction methodology exams), and has now gone back to Praxis for the reading exams.

    Texas uses TExES, which was an NES exam series (back before Pearson acquired NES) when launched but is now ETS (though not Praxis). It's worth noting that the (or a) basic skills exam in Texas, whose acronym I don't now recall, is a Pearson/NES exam that I believe is also used for college admissions.

    Florida's FTCE started out as a homegrown product that is now administered by Pearson. The last time I checked, it was still the case that FTCE is the only Pearson test series I know of that doesn't offer any free test-prep materials on the official Web site.

    California uses several distinct test programs, not counting proficiency exams in Hebrew and Portuguese. CBEST, CSET, RICA, CTEL, and the new MIAA (I think that's the acronym) are Pearson products, but California still uses Praxis TFE exams to allow teachers in internships to test out of some credential-program coursework, and one of the two major TPA assessments for beginning teachers is a Praxis product.
     
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    I have just gotten the scores of 0061 Praxis content knowledge , and I passes with score 149 . The passing score in NJ is 137, but because of my GPA 2.5 , I needed 151 . What can I do now? is there an alternative road ? what do you advise?
     
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    test taker 63, my sympathies. I suspect that you'll need to retake 0061.
     
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    :dizzy:

    You will need to retake the test. :(
    :sorry:
    THe Alternative method is ONLY for those without teaching school background on college. And they have to pass the praxis also. There is no getting around the Praxis.

    You have to reg for the next test by Thursday.

    Keep in mind you are most likely only one question away from passing, two at the most, but most likely one.

    Look at the chart on the last page. Where did you do the "worst" at. Put some time into that section. I realize that worst is a relative term.

    The good news. For the states that accept the Praxis, you can teach in all of them, except NJ. So if you are willing to move.
     
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    Similar to testtaker 63 but not quite exact,

    I graduated in 2006 with BS in Math, my cum gpa was 2.85 which means my passing score for NJ is 137. I took the test and did not pass. I knew that I was not going to pass since it has been so long since I've seen the material and I used ets study guides, and a "professor created" study guides that had the same difficulty level as the actual test. Like most things in life, if material isn't used...its lost. So in preparation for this test, it will vary from person to person depending on your foundation, or how long it has been since seeing this material.
    The day of the test, I arrived nice and early, found the test room, and my first reaction was "wow these desks are small, where am I going to put all of the materials: graphing calculator, pencils, eraser, scrap sheets, test booklet, and sharpener". So I had no choice but to accommodate for these uncomfortable conditions. It took a bit of time for the test administrator to check each person's id and to deliver the test booklets. When I finally received the booklet, I scanned through the entire test as soon as the test administrator said begin. The surprise for me was noticing that every question was a lengthy word problem. When I say "lengthy" I mean too long for a limited 2.5 minutes you have to answer it. Some of the questions take longer than 2.5 minutes to read and actually understand the specifics. After leaving this test, aside from thinking "wow they created a difficult test and its suppose to measure your knowledge in the subject area," I was also thinking about my situation taking the SAT's while holding a 4.1 gpa. Just to think, I couldn't go to a top notch college because of 1 exam. As much as I disagree with these tests, I have no choice but to keep trying, so I registered for the March 10th exam. I have to honestly say, that I have to study to point where I think these difficult questions are elementary. For anyone taking this exam for a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, ... time, I recommend finding a lot more difficult study guides out there, and also get VERY familiar with your graphing calculator. Your Graphing Calculator is pretty much the Bible for this exam. If there are 3 ways to solve 1 question, and the Graphing Calculator is one way, USE IT!! What would have taken you minutes to solve a problem, may take you seconds using a graphing Calculator.

    As for me, I have lots of studying ahead. I have 2 more chances to pass it, if I want to teach Math in September, or else I will have to accept my plan B and become a special Ed teacher as it does not require a Praxis Score.
     
  15. chasisaac

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    Zoro -- two more times? I thought the 0061 (5061) was going computer based in June. That should give you at least one more shot at it.
     
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    Well, Im going based on the alternate route scheduling with ets test dates... June will be too late for me to start the stage 1 & 2 of the alternate route program and I will not be on time to teach in September.
     
  17. chasisaac

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    Zoro -- look at this way. You have a leg up on everyone else taking the test.

    You have seen what the test has and know better than 1st timers what is on the test. That is a huge advantage.
     
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    I'm not really sure about the one leg up, I'm also not the best test taker: I get nervous, my mind goes blank at times, ect.

    But yes, I am now aware of what I saw on there, and realize how fast I have to be for next time.

    The test is different each time you take it, so the only thing I can do is to prepare is study as many math problems with same difficulty level as the ones i remember from the exam.
     
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    Just walked out of today's Math CK. I was spanked so hard, I'm not sure I can sit. I graduated '85, Engineering and CompSci - took DiffyQ as an elective. I took the MS Math test 2 years ago, scored a 156, studied on and off for the lost 6 weeks. Thought I knew enough to pass. Now I'm not sure, I need a 147 here in VA. I am planning on starting my review for the April test on Monday - not sure if there is enough time though. I have only ever failed one standardized test, I think this is going to be #2 - unless I move :). Good luck to everyone else who took the test.
     
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    I took it also for the 2nd time today. That test is not easy. Even if I were fresh out of college I would have struggled. I also have my personal hatred towards all ets standardized tests, I think every state should have their own similar to Florida. But these are the standards dealt , and the 0061 is no picnic. I wish I can take a praxis based on what I've learned in school . What I suggest is picking up a precalculus book and practice as many problems as possible. Also, a ti-89 or Nspire would be a great advantage in taking this exam.
     
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    I don't mind the standardized test, I just don't understand why they don't break it down by subject. In the sciences, you take chem, physics, biology - but math is math! Why can't it be broken down into something like 4 tests - Algebra I & II, Calc, Geometry & Trig, and Discrete & Prob & Stats. That's probably a little restrictive, but the tests could be shorter, then they could make more money for less effort on their part. :) With that testing, you can take what you want/need. I passed MS Math, but now the school system wants to teach Algebra to 7th & 8th graders which means I have to pass CK to teach algebra in the MS.

    I made the mistake of not knowing my TI-83+ as well as I should have. I borrowed it from my daughter last week, but she needs it for Algebra II. So I planned on buying one for me own when I got home. I also need to practice more, I knew a lot of the material, but it takes me too long to read the problem and then work it out. I wound up just answering b for the ones I didn't go back to.

    Do you really think an 89 or Nspire would make that much of a difference?
     
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    Not to sure how quoting the ETS testing policy helps on this question.

    The short answer to the Nspire. is OMGosh yes.

    Make sure you get he Nspire CAS. The non-cas is pointless and cannot do complex equations. The extra 5-10 bucks from WM is well worth it. And for my 2 cents, I ordered from WM online, not sure why I did not order from Amazon. But only took two days.
     
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    Took the test yesterday. Out of the 50 questions, I feel like I knew the correct answer to about 60% (50% pessimistic case), 20% I was able to reduce to two possible answers and took my best shot and 20% was purely guesstimate. From you previous test takers, what would estimate my chances of passing to be? (My state requires 136).

    Test seemed designed to test mathematical reasoning moreso than clinical skill. I do know if i have to retake it my biggest area of weakness was algebra 2 (matrix andfunctions). I graduated engineering school over 30 years ago and I would be happy not to take this test test again.

    Also took the pedagogy. Got way caught up in my first answer and therefore my last two were rather brief.
    At this point, I feel better about passing content than pedagogy. But then i am reminded of my own naive geometry students who assure me that they passed my test with flying colors then I find out after grading that they scored a 50 out of a 100. We don't know what we don't know alas.
     
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    I posted the calculator policy because calculators that fall outside certain parameters may not be permitted on certain tests. I don't tend to memorize which tests and which calculators in which states, especially not on exams I don't do much with. But the page took a bit of doing to locate, so it seemed that posting the link might be be a service to a test taker.

    GTB4GT, I wouldn't rule out your passing 0061. Please keep us posted.
     
  26. chasisaac

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    Saturday Fun And Games

    I took the 0061 on Saturday. Wow. I got my tush kicked. I am a history guy who loves teaching but needs to find a job teaching. I needed a 121 hoped for 140, not sure I made it.

    I also took the middle school math and am glad I did, I think I passed that one easily. I really only want to teach MS or Algebra I. Even if I pass I will not accept a job that I cannot teach (Calc). I have in the past taught Math 7, Pre-Algebra and Algebra I. I think I can do Algebra II. If I fail I am not retaking 0061.

    I noticed the amount of of moving things around. The questions that were (NOT ACTUAL QUESTION):

    cos(theta) * sin^-1(1/3 theata PI) + SQRT (-1) * |x*pi| = sin(x)^3 is the same as saying (1/2 csc^-1 * pi) / (x)(i)-1

    I just looked at a couple of those and thought: well aren't you some pretty letters that look like Korean (I know greek and latin). The worst part is the guy next to me finished in a little over an hour. I flat out guessed on 10 questions. I had about 20 +/- 1. that I answered. This leaves 10 that I knocked out at least one answer to, some they were nice enough to allow me to knock out two. I choose B as my default answer. So now we wait

    Of Scoring

    According to the older list published by ETS a 24 correct is 134, 24 = 138. There is a std error of measure at 7.6.

    After looking at a number of scores with their last page intact, the numbers vary BIG TIME.

    These are the scores I have access to and you will notice some variants. These are legit scores from 2009-11.

    Scaled - Raw - Percent
    • 114 20 40%
    • 122 23 46%
    • 123 21 42%
    • 124 30 60%
    • 125 23 46%
    • 134 27 54%
    • 134 27 54%
    • 136 24 48%
    • 137 26 52%
    • 138 29 58%
    • 140 26 52%
    • 140 27 54%
    • 140 30 60%
    • 142 27 54%
    • 142 29 58%
    • 145 32 64%
    • 145 32 64%
     
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    I am trying to give praxis exam in july ,already failed thrice-not sure if i am doing the right material-any advices?????
     
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    Scarg

    what does your sheet tell you to study?
    What was your weak point? IS it the same for all versions? BTW you depending on how desperate you are to pass do not forget the computer options. This tests again the last week of June 27-30.

    The advantage to the computer test is you know your score right away. IF you are really desperate, you can take the June and and sign up for July. I know that if you pass in June than you can cancel and get at least a partial refund.

    https://www.ets.org/praxis/about/fees/refund_policies

    The other suggestion I would make is to figure out what you have learned about the test and leverage that information. Let's be honest we learn things about the test, I know I did.
     
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    0061 Keeps Kicking My Butt

    I am about to take 0061 for the third time. Yes, the THIRD time. It is embarrassing because my big selling point is content knowledge. I can't say that on my resume and then show a failing score on 0061!

    The most recent time I did really well in the calculus section, not so hot in geometry and algebra. I was surprised because I thought I did really well and I had just finished teaching Algebra II and eighth grade geometry. When I got my score and found it was the same as many other people I know who failed the first two times, I got a little suspicious. I heard ETS normalizes the scores to create an artificial bell curve for each group (how do they pick the groups? the fine print doesn't say) so even if you perform well but Einstein's in your group, it's possible you'll fail. If your group contains a bunch of, well, not-Einsteins, you could do very well. They do this to show that the relative difficulty of the different tests is the same.

    What bothers me is the waiting period. You have to wait four weeks to get your score, but that puts you into the "emergency" category if you need to take it again immediately, meaning you have to pay an extra fee. As a student teacher, I'm not really rolling around in a duvet stuffed with money.

    Since I have taken it twice, I have a good idea of the material. This time I opted to purchase both the study guide and the practice test; the study guide itself contains an abbreviated test. I thought the included test was much more difficult than 0061, like training with an extra heavy sword. Overall, I feel it's good preparation. I haven't taken the practice test proper yet but I think it gives you an example of how the scores are scaled.

    After I take the test I will post my observations and compare the test to the practice material; when I get my score I will find out if purchasing the study guide was a good investment in case anyone is interested.
     
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    Math=Language, as I type this you're already testing; my thoughts are with you.

    I don't recall 0061 offhand, but since it's labeled "Content Knowledge", it probably contains only multiple choice questions. ETS does scale test takers' scores, but it's not about ensuring that only a certain number of people on a given test date will pass; instead, it's working around the fact that writing even two questions that are exactly equivalent in difficulty, let alone a whole test's worth, is practically impossible. The goal is that each score of (say) 167 represent the same level of achievement.

    When people who know the content struggle with the test, the likeliest reason is that they're either underthinking or overthinking the questions. Try imagining how you'd counsel a bright but stuck student to approach the question.
     
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    You can sign up for the test beforehand and if you pass ETS will automatically give you a refund. This way you do not need to pay extra for a late registration.
     
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    Does anyone know about this "all of the questions on this test might not count towards your score" thing? There were at least 3 questions on one specific topic not listed in the overview and I felt blindsighted by them. I left them until the end and guessed thank goodness but I would have reviewed that particular topic if I had known it would have been so heavy on the exam!
     
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    When I received my RAW score for this test, it was not out of 50 but rather 49. So, evidently, one of the questions did not count.
     
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    One question is included that is scored for possible use on future tests. It does not count toward or against your grade.

    0061 was more difficult this time than either of the other times I took it. The test prep booklet sold on the site has not been updated to reflect the changing curriculum, although the tests themselves have. As a result, I found out that the test seems to have switched its emphasis a bit.

    Credit where it's due: I learned a lot about HOW to take the test by taking the practice one provided and going over the ETS solutions. I stand behind it for that reason; however, I would not rely on it to get a feel for the content emphasized. That has shifted quite a bit.

    I didn't know I could sign up now and get a full refund! Okay, now I feel less taken advantage of than before. Thanks!
     
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    One more thing. The 0061 is now available as Prometric test. Sign up for that one. You get score on the spot. Costs a little more, but IMHO worth it.
     
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    I passed!!!! 183!!!!
     
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    Congratulations!
     
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    This test has become my personal nemesis. I've tried and failed and tried again, only to fail again. I took it again on June 9 and felt really good about the test ---- only to learn I missed passing by ONE POINT! ARRRRGH!!!!

    Just took it again today and really don't feel like I did any better on it this time.

    I've used study guides, a DVD series on Calculus and other study aids, but still can't get over the hump. Any suggestions, tips, advice or hints about other material I could use to prepare for the test would be appreciated.
     
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    I used the site praxis2math. Is there one particular area you are weak in? I also really recommend being familiar with your graphing calculator. I saved countless minutes by using matrices to solve systems of equations/graphing and using 2nd-trace functions/etc. Good luck!
     
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    Calculus is the part I keep struggling with. I had Calculus I waaaaaay back in 1983 and never had to take Calculus II for my chosen major, so it's been a long time since I've seen any of this and some of it I've never seen.

    I've become much more proficient with my graphing calculator, but I'm sure I've still only scratched the surface of everything it can do. My university program actually paid for some tutor sessions which helped me catch up on my Calculus AND how to use the calculator, but trying to learn and retain it on my own is proving difficult.

    There are some problems I just simply haven't seen enough to quickly recognize how to solve them. I am getting much better through sheer practice, but I was pretty upset when I came up 1 point short this last time. I thought I had finally passed it.

    The test today was more difficult, for me anyway. More of the problems I'm not used to seeing, so I'm not always sure how to solve them. I know they have to be fairly simply, I just don't know the right process to follow.

    Thanks for the tip about praxis2math. I'll give it a look.

    Not sure if I'm going to retake the test again in September or wait till November. Since I'm teaching middle school again, I don't really need it, but I'm too stubborn to let this get the best of me.

    My closest cousin recently described me as the Energizer Bunny...because I keep going and going (despite many personal hardships over the last 6 years). I got a laugh out of that, but I suppose it's true. I don't let things keep me down and I don't let challenges like this get the best of me. Sooner or later, I WILL get this test (and certification) under my belt.
     

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