Praxis 5004- Elementary Ed- Social Studies

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  1. ctteacher2015

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    Hello-

    I am having difficulties passing PRAXIS 5004....I have studided probably every study guide that is out there and still every time I take the test I encounter a different test (different questions that I have not been exposed to them before). Some of my friends have informed me that when they had to re-take theirs for 3rd or 4th time they still had the same test but questions were in different order. I am not sure who decides to administer you the same test or not but is there such a thing. I would like feedback from previous takers that ohave taken this test. Have you seen the same set of question on your re-take or different ones. Thanks!!
     
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    Are there multiple versions of any given teacher test? Yes. As nearly as I can tell, it's entirely random what version a test taker gets. Social studies covers a fairly wide swath of content, and it's pretty common that the emphasis differs from one version of a test to another, simply to try to get all that swath of content covered somehow. I think even Praxis has shifted to some extent away from questions that ask for specific names and dates and toward questions that show one's grasp of the flow of history - causes and consequences.

    How close are you coming to passing, and what do your score reports say about the domains of 5004 in which you're doing well vs. the ones in which you're coming up short?
     
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    hello,
    I am also having problems passing the 5004 test. I retook it today for the second time and Im not sure how I did. While taking the test I felt as though I knew a lot of the content, but at the same time there were several questions on the test that caught me off guard, and I had no clue what the answer was. OVerall, I felt pretty good at the end of the test. I've been studying quite a bit and I have taken a bunch of practice tests. Im supposed to be graduating in December and this test is the only thing that is holding me back... :/

    I've passed the math, had to retake the SS, Science, and LA/Reading today. I was only given raw scores.
    SS - 25 (i need a scaled score 159)
    S 22 (i need a 155)
    LA 34 (i need a 157)

    Don't know how I feel about those scores, but It would save the pain If i could know how I did so I could plan out what my next move will be... if i need to postpone my graduation.. keep studying.. or whatever i need to do to pass!

    Good luck to you!!!
     
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    Thank you so much for your reply. I am so glad to be part of this forum and share experiences from my praxis testing. You do not feel alone or hopeless when you know that there are TC out there who might be going through hard times just like yourself. We all are strong, probably we all carry 3.5 and above gpa's but when it comes to standardized tests we fail.....

    I am very close to passing but I live in CT and CT has the highest passing scores!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have read every study guide out there and I feel like the test has questions about topics that I have not encountered before.

    I will keep trying until one day I succeed because my 4 yrs degree is worth nothing without this certification.


    Thanks again!
     
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    You are so right my dear, there are a few questions on this test that make you wonder and think that you never before read about the topics.
    I am not sure in which state you reside but it looks like you will be more lucky than me at the end because my passing score for 5004 is 166. Gotta love CT!!!!

    I wish you the best of luck and please update me if you re-take it.....Also let me know from which study guides you are studying from??

    Thanks
     
  7. ake

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    Hello again,
    I received a scaled score of 142, and I need a score of 159 to pass.
    The domain break down for my last test was:
    US History, Government, and Citizenship : 13
    Geography: 7
    World History and Economics: 10

    That was my last test, since I scored the lowest on the geography part I brushed up more on that for this test, and when I took it there was barely any map questions. lol.
    I was hoping you can kind of help me understand my raw score for this last test I took. I received a raw score of 25. That doesn't seem very high to me. In fact, that seems worse than the first score.

    Im very confused on how these tests are graded because my raw score for math was a 26, and that was passing.
     
  8. ake

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    Hey,

    Thanks for your encouragement. I am trying to pass the test in HI.
    I am using the Kaplan Core Praxis study guide, Cliff notes, and Praxis for Dummies. (lol) I also used the teachertestprep website.

    What about you?
     
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    I am not sure if Math scores and SS are comparable but just wait for your official score report and see. I might be wrong but I feel like this time your score might be lower than last time. Unless they use a different scale for domains....god know on what they use...its very depressing and frustrating.
     
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    I use teacher test prep as well but I find out that the videos do cover a range of materials but some of the most important events on the actual test are not there...I am sure you know what I mean.
    I think the best thing to do when trying to pass these test is just to retry over and over again...
     
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    Hugs, ake. You're confused because some of this is confusing. Bear with me: this is going to take a while.

    Scaled scores exist in part so that every scaled score of (say) 159 on a given version of (say) 5004 represents the same level of performance as the same score on any other version of 5004. That's not the same thing as representing the same raw score, however, because it's inevitable that test questions differ among themselves in difficulty; the algorithm or formula that converts raw scores to scaled takes differences in difficulty into account. But there's no reason that a 159 on 5004 has to represent the same raw score as a 159 on any other subtest of 5001. In fact, 159 simply can't represent the same raw score on every subtest, because the the number of questions on each subtest differs: the math and science subtests total 50 questions each, the social studies subtest has 55, and the language arts subtest has 80. Nor is it very likely that 159 even reflects the same percentage correct from subtest to subtest: while there are individual exceptions, elementary teachers as a class seem to find math very daunting, and their raw scores on math tests certainly show it. I mean no disrespect here, by the way.

    Scaled scores on older Praxis tests used to vary much more from subject area so subject area: elementary-education and social studies passing scores clustered around the mid to high 150s, biology would be in the 140s, and math could be in the mid-130s. These scores probably reflected more clearly the raw percentage that test takers in each subject area were expected to earn. But Praxis seems to be moving toward a model like the one that Pearson uses for its state-specific tests: a state chooses 220 or 240 as its passing scaled score for all tests and then the state and Pearson together work out, subject area by subject area, just what kind of raw numbers a barely-passing score means.

    Now to your results on 5004. I assume that you're telling me that your raw score of 30 (13+7+10) got you the scaled score of 142: if that's not what you meant, let me know.

    The Study Companion, https://www.ets.org/s/praxis/pdf/5001.pdf, tells us that some questions may not be scored (which generally means that some for sure won't be scored), that the math subtest, 5003, has 50 questions in all, and that the social studies subtest, 5004, has 55 questions in all. I would expect that 5 questions on 5003, and 5 to 6 questions on 5004, would not be scored, but don't quote me: I don't have access to anyone's official score report. If your raw score in math was 26, that would then be 26 out of 45 - and, given what math seems to do to most elementary teacher candidates' minds, I'm not surprised to find that 50-ish percent correct is a passing score. Let's assume that 5 of the 55 questions on 5004 don't count. Then you scored 30 out of 50, and that's 60% correct - but more elementary educators are likely to be less terrified of social studies, so I'm not surprised to find that the approximate percentage required to pass is higher.

    The Study Companion tells us the approximate number of questions in each domain of 5004 (this includes the non-scoring questions):

    United States History, Government, and Citizenship: 25
    Geography, Anthropology and Sociology: 16
    World History and Economics: 14

    You got 10 right in world history and economics, which is quite respectable. Your other scores, though... um, they could use work. Do bear in mind, by the way, that geography includes not only knowing boundaries and capitals but also understanding the effect of climate and landforms on human settlement and migration. And there's very little in the US Constitution (on which so many government-and-citizenship questions depend) that doesn't very directly reflect US history: try looking for the connections.
     
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    Thanks for your reply. I was reading some other threads on the praxis test, and saw that there were others that also received the same raw scores as I did, and passed. Although it was the praxis 5018 test. I know this test is entirely different from the 5018.

    Well! I'll just keep trying! Thanks for your help
     
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    What have you been using to study, ake?
     
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    Various books. Cliff notes, Kaplan, and praxis for dummies. I look up things online too: such as the practice tests on ets, teachers test prep, several other sites I can't remember the names. But lately ive just been reading the books front to back.
     
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    Ah. Try looking for resources that aren't specific to this test. You might find more engaging explanations that will stick with you better. A good historical atlas - one with not just maps but comments on what it is that the maps show - might work well for you.
     
  16. ake

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    Ok, thanks. Ill look into that.
    Now, could you kind of help me decipher my other test scores:
    These raw scores were given:
    Science 22 :/
    and LA 34

    Do I have a chance of passing?? Im thinking of calling ets and asking when the scores will be sent out. Im dealing with a deadline here, and If i need to retake these tests I need to schedule them asap.

    thanks again for your help and prompt replies.
     
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    I think your science score is closer to passing than is your language arts score, and I think you're going to be retaking both.

    Look up the Praxis test-fee refund policy, just in case: as of a couple of years ago, Praxis was automatically refunding the fee if a discouraged test taker signed up for a retake date "just in case" before receiving the score report and then turned out to have passed the test after all, but I don't know if that's still the case.
     
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    I just got my scores back, I passed the Reading/LA, but you were right, I missed the SS and Science. Going to be retaking those soon. My science score went down from the first time I took it, but my SS is getting there. I missed it by just a few points. Staying positive, and going to keep strengthening the areas that need it!
     
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    Congratulations on passing Reading/LA - sometimes I like being wrong - and good attitude with the social studies and science. YouTube videos can help in both those areas: try searching for "youtube ____", where the blank is filled with a technical term or historical event that you don't know well.
     
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    Hey guys, would you be able to see if my raw scores are the equivalent to the passing scores for praxis 5001 in NJ:

    Math: 29
    LA: 37
    SStudies: 31
    Science: 31

    PLEASE HELP :)
     
  21. ake

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    im taking the same test too, could you post your scaled scores when you get them?
    just wondering if your raw scores are passing, because my ss and s scores were not far off from yours..
     
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    You'll forgive me, I hope, that I don't keep these numbers in my head... but the Study Companion for 5001 tells us that there are 80 language arts questions, 55 social studies questions, 50 math questions, and 50 science questions. The Study Companion also tells us that some questions may not be counted, which generally means that some questions AREN'T counted, and the number of questions not counted is generally 10% to 20%. (The questions that aren't counted are being field-tested for inclusion in further tests.)

    An additional confounding feature is that All Test Questions Are Not Created Equal, by which I mean that it is darned difficult to write any two test questions that are exactly identical in difficulty, let alone 50 or 55 or 80 of them. The test companies have sensibly chosen to tag questions as being relatively harder or easier and to take this into account when they convert raw scores to scaled scores.

    I'd be a fool, classroomcatnip, to announce that you passed - but, given that ake's 34 in LA was passing, I think your chances aren't so bad.
     
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    Sorry, just to clarify. I passed the LA with a 43. I did not make the correction on this thread. I retook the science and ss test this weekend and Im not sure how I did. My scores improved from the last test:
    here are my raw scores
    SS - 28
    S - 29
     
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    43 is a more plausible passing score for language arts, yes. I think your chances of passing science are decent; for social studies, somewhat less but it's not out of the question.
     
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    Thank you TeachrGroupie, that gives me some hope! Will update when I find out the results.
     
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    Just wanted to update that I did not pass SS and Science again.
    I know I've been improving just by my raw points going up each time that I take the test. However, when I am looking at the final scaled scores, I still see a 144 for SS. That was for the first time I took the test. I know ETS only shows your highest scaled score, but how could my scaled score for a raw score of 28 be lower than a 144? Could this be a mistake? I emailed ETS for an explanation, in hopes they will give me my scaled score for this test.
    Im at my breaking point!! So frustrating that Im not far off from passing :(
     
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    Hugs, ake.
     
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    Hello! I'm been trying to pass the Praxis II 5004 test (in NJ passing score is 155) since the beginning of the year. Today I just took it for the 4th time and I felt pretty good about it, but after reading some of these threads I don't feel as good anymore. IDK the difference between a raw/scaled score but the score on the top of the screen said 160 and then for each section I had:
    USA HISTORY 13
    GEOGRAPHY 10
    WORLD HISTORY 14

    Is this a good score? Do I have a chance at passing?
     
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    You don't have a CHANCE at passing: you've PASSED. That 160 is your scaled score. Congratulations! (13, 10, and 14 are your raw scores in the sections named, so your total raw score would have been 37. If 2004 is advertised as having 50 or 55 questions - I don't recall which - some of them won't be counted, and 37 raw is quite respectable.
     
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    :') yes!!! It sucks that I have to wait until the end of the month to get my passing scores!
     
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    I wouldn't recommend icing your celebratory champagne just yet, but you'd be within your rights to buy the bottle.
     
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    congratulations on passing, I've taken the SS 4 times, and I always fall short. could you please share your studying materials and methods of studying? It would be great to hear how you got a great score :) thank you!
     
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    Hi friends! I as well have had a hard time passing the social studies portion and have taken it a couple times. I am only missing it by a couple of points and it is super frustrating. If anyone has ANY study tips would you please share. I feel like I am running out of options of things to study. Thanks!!
     
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    hi all,
    hoping to get some feedback on previous teachers who passed this section of the test. I've been having difficulty passing both the science and ss praxis tests. I just retook both of them. I received a raw score of 34 on both tests. the scaled scores seem promising. scaled score was a 163 for science, and a 161 for social studies. hoping for positive results!
     
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    Great score! What did you use to study?
     
  36. TeacherGroupie

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    A good historical atlas can be helpful in making sense of history; you might be able to find a used copy of DK's excellent Atlas of World History. Free Technology for Teachers, Richard Byrne's compendious blog of useful stuff that doesn't cost, links to a number of helpful resources on social studies and science, including the Crash Course videos and a couple of other series. If you're a Costco member, check the books that are on offer for back to school. Costco has carried DK's useful series of books on helping one's kid with ___ homework; these would also be fine teaching resources.
     
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    I took Praxis 5001 yesterday which is all 4 subsets (math, science, L/A & social studies)

    Trying to figure out if I passed or not..... First off I felt the L/A section was way to easy. However, I found the S.S. Subset to be quite difficult! Let's just say these two cancelled each other out.

    Test scores as follows:
    L/A-55
    Math-33
    Science-41
    Social Studies-30 (I believe this subset is the only exam I could potentially fail)

    Anyone pass the SS exam (5004) with a raw score of 30 or less??

    Hope to hear from someone!!
    Good luck to everyone happy studying!
     
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    Hi
     
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    Social Studies
     
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    :p
     
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    Hmm
     
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