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  1. Poisontipped

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    Hi guys!
    I am a 17 year old male, who next year is about to go to University to study education. But heres the catch... I dont know if I want to do primary (K-7) or secondary (8-12). I have spent hours thinking about which one I want to do, but to no avail. So I was just wondering if you teachers can give me some pro's and con's about Secondary and Primary!!!

    :thanks: Guys and Girls!
     
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  3. mhcooley

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    My degree is in elementary education so I don't have any experience in secondary. I love the little ones because they are so loving and willing to learn. We don't have any male teachers at my school (2-4) so I would encourage you so look toward elementary because in our parish there just isn't alot of male elementary teachers. ;)
     
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    Do you have to declare a major right away? Maybe do some subbing at both levels. That really helped me decide No high school for me. But I absolutely love elementary and middle school. I know middle school, Im crazy.
     
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    Or, if you cannot sub due to credential reasons, as is the case in many places, I bet you could find a way to volunteer/observe in each setting, especially if you know some of the teachers.

    Keep in mind that for most places, secondary (middle school and up) teachers typically teach one subject, while elementary teach all (with some exceptions, in some places).
     
  6. Poisontipped

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    Wow guys, thanks for your imput!

    MhCooley- You really hit the nail on the head their, one of the reason why I would enter education is because their are very little male role-models in childrens life. And I could happily be a primary teacher and be a role model for all the children (particuly boys) who have possibly grown up without a father, little male influence.

    txmomteacher2- I was thinking about that aswell, however, my understanding of education was that you had to decalre a major straight away. Like, If I was going to teach secondary, I would do a

    Bachelor of Arts-English
    Bachelor of Arts- Social Studies (History)
    Diploma of Education...

    And for primary school I would do a bachelor of education... But subbing seems like a good idea (if possible) so I can get the gist of what happens.

    However their is one major concern is about, well children being children. Because i'm a male, it only takes one accusation and my reputation has been shattered, even if your innocent. I know that parents are over protective and all, but I dont know if I want to be constantly having to think "this could happen or this could happen" if I do something or plan a lesson.

    Man that was awkward... but do you understand what I mean? Their is all this histeria about child predators and all... - are my concerns unfounded???

    Anyway, one of the things I would enjoy is looking at a group of students and seeing them mature and become brilliant. Seeing how they were so childish and now, they are making their own decisions. Their are plenty of pluses for elementry education, and im really thinking about their.

    Again, thanks for your input guys.
     
  7. AussieAP

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    Mate
    Australia has a general shortage of male teachers in the Primary area. I have been in the K - 6 field for 32 years and have taught all grades [yes, Kinder too!] + special education as well as in remand centres and as an Itinerant teacher [behaviours] in South-west Sydney, and am still having fun, and still finding out new things about myself, the children and the way they learn and look at life. For my money - go Primary!
     
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    A good male elementary teacher is a hard find. What I'm trying to say is, you don't see very many males in the lower elementary grades. When we get our hands on one, we try and keep them. They are real gems in our schools. These kids need adult role models, especially males. We would love to have more.

    As others have suggested, I would try and volunteering in the schools. You could even do some type of Big Brother/Sister volunteering while you're in college. Subbing might be hard, considering on where you live. In our state, you have to have at least an associates degree (I think I posted somewhere else a bachelors degree, but was wrong).
     
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    Hi
    In my State [New South Wales], you need a Bachelor's Degree in Education, or a Post Graduate Diploma in Education if your Bachelor's Degree is not in Education at least to gain State approval to teach at any level - even as a substitute -this applies paticularly to Secondary teaching where your degree must be in the subject you teach. Australian Universities offer different Bachelor's degrees depending upon the field of education you wish to enter, as well as specialisation subjects within those degrees. Our State requires that all teacher trainees take some special education subjects. However, the degree path must be selected before commencing studies. You can change paths, but it can be difficult sometimes. Good luck with your choices, mate.
     
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    I am currently a sophmore in college and am dual majoring in eled (K-6) and special ed (k-12). I love working with all ages but I know I would never want to teach high school because through my experiences it was a little boring (sorry to those who love this age :), i loved working with kids grades 1-6 the best. I would listen to your gut and you cant go wrong!

    As far as the worries of accusations... that should not hinder your decision to teach. As long as you follow the rules and try to be the best teacher you can be you should have no worries!
     
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    Wow, thanks people! Your input is really valued.

    I think I will go into Primary Education, it sounds (on the whole) better then secondary. But my degree with enable to teach me from K-10, and that seems okay to me.

    That means, I will just have to do a Bachelor of Education?

    Thanks again guys and girls!
     
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    I would have to agree with the above posts...there are a shortage of male teachers in the elementary grades.

    I can tell you from a parent's point of view (mama of a son), my son did really well in 4th and 5th grade with his male teacher. Although he loved his previous teachers, who were all female, he seemed to finally start to blossom once he had a male teacher. It could have been the age but I'm not so sure. He has another male teacher this year and is again doing wonderfully.

    Good luck to you and whatever you decide. Teaching is definetely (sp?) one of the hardest jobs but also very rewarding. You won'd be disappointed.
     
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    I suggest that you work towards the one you really, really feel like you want. But in the meantime, become a substitute teacher & teach all grade levels from K-12 so you can truly see how it feels out there. That's the closest you'll get to actually experiencing it without being permanent in it. If you change your mind, switch to working on the other.
     
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    I'm partial to the elementary age, but I think that's partly due to knowing how I was in Secondary! LOL Hello, mood-swings! :)

    I agree- there aren't enough male teachers out there. In my old school-- we had one male K teacher and one male principal. Two years later, we finally got a male 2nd grade teacher (and there was one male student teacher for a semester). Even now, there's still only 2 males there.

    You are right-- kids need male role-models, especially if they come from single-parent homes, or the dad just isn't involved. Secondary is also good in that way, because boys develop later than girls, so you can still have a huge impact even in middle school.

    I found my "calling" in elementary ed. with an endorsement in Special Ed. That was by working as a para/teacher's aide in a special needs room. The first day was challenging, yes--- but I walked out of there when the bell rang at the end of the day and went to Uni and changed my major (was a double major in psych and journalism, minor in art!). It's not "work" to me. I miss the little critters on the weekends! So, I would definitely recommend any sort of shadowing or visitation or volunteering. Start with your old elementary/ secondary school if possible. If you've moved since then, contact the teaching dept. at the university and see what they recommend. Generally, you don't have to declare a grade level right away, as your first year or two is mostly general ed. classes (math, science, english... that sort of thing.)

    Good luck!!
     
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    Hello
    I have a question - hope no-one minds. In the US, are you employed to teach a particular grade, and only that grade? Here in New South Wales, employment in Primary Schools is contingent upon agreement to teach any grade from K - 6, it is the Principal's decision which one, and you can be changed every year, if that is what is decided. You also must have a degree or equavalent before you can gain State approval to teach any grade.
     
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    In the U.S., each school campus is either an elementary school, which is grades K-5 or K-6, in which a person needs what's called a multiple subjects credential. With that credential, they can teach any one of those grades. They might teach what's called a combo class that consistst of 2 grade levels.

    To teach middle school & high school, a person needs a single subjects credential in the subject area they are teaching. Middle school are grades 6 or 7 through 8 & high school is grades 9-12. They can teach any of those grades.

    Then, in the area of special ed, a person has either a mild/moderate disabilities credential or a moderate/severe disabilities credential. With either of these, I believe they can teach any special ed class that's grades K-12. They won't actually teach all those grades at once, but if they're hired, they will teach any one of those grades. Some special ed classes do have kids of 2 or 3 different grade levels in them.

    When a person is being interviewed they can apply for any grade levels that they have a credential for. If they are hired, they may be given a choice of what they want that's open or they may be told to teach a certain level that they're qualified for.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    In Washington state, we are certified to teach K-8 any subject or grade level. I have an endorsement in reading so I can teach 9-12 reading only above my K-8 endorsement.

    I think each state has different criteria in special education as well.
     
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    Texas cert.

    In Texas we are broken up into several categories. EC-4, 4-8 with generalist and then reading social studies Language Arts. With a generalists you can teach math and science. To teach high school you have to have a degree in what you are teaching.
     

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