Gosh I know this is totally off topic but don't know where else to post... is there a housewares forum?! Oneida is having a great cyber Monday sale and I really want to get my real flatware NOW. Can get service for 8 under $40. Trying to choose pattern and it's hard to tell from the item descriptions... I would like to know if their "satin" finish is that the actual stainless steel is brushed or otherwise un-shiny, or if it has a layer of frosty something on it. Hard to describe, but the reason I returned my Cambridge flatware was because the frosted-looking finish was rusting way too easily and rubbing off even when brand new - you could see every scratch just from taking it out of the package. On the other hand, I've also seen high-shine finishes have their own problems re. showing every scratch as well as water spots, et al. Plus, my other set of flatware is high-shine and I don't want to mix them up (for kosher reasons, we have separate utensils for meat and dairy and it's important to keep them apart easily) So I'm trying to decide whether to go for shiny or satin (I'm eyeing "Flight" pattern but maybe also "Mooncrest" - It's REALLY hard to tell what the situation is with Mooncrest because it looks dull in the picture but the description says something about shine...?) I'll be getting it shipped free and due to the heavy weight of 8 sets of silverware I REALLY don't want to have to return ship it! I am going to order something and be happy with it for the next 40 years no matter what!