I just think about students who are sexually or physically abused HAVE to fight back. It's the only way that they can cope and survive. Simply saying, "No" and "talking it out" doesn't really STOP the abuse. So if the child has to, GO for it! And that's exactly the point that was being made. But there is a time and place and if the child doesn't know the difference or ever learns about rules and boundaries, some don't, this is when they get into real trouble. By the way, I love when the counselor comes in to have that "talk" with the kids and it's very generic and unhelpful. And I've sat through so many lessons in my short time as a teacher. I wish certain people just wouldn't have children!