Payment for writing long term sub plans

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  1. Lady_Marie

    Lady_Marie New Member

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    For the past 2 years, I have been teaching high school English (grades 8-12) at a very small rural school. I was the only person in the building with a certificate in English. (The middle school teacher, grade 7, had the old 6-8 certification. He also retired this summer.) I was offered a job in a larger district and accepted last spring. My former school has been looking for someone to replace me, with no luck, all summer. Recently, the principal contacted me and floated the idea of having me write long-term sub plans for all of my old classes. I have 6 different preps, grades 8-12.
    If they can't find anyone to teach the subject I will probably tell them I will write long term sub plans. My question is what is appropriate to charge for this service? Below are some numbers that might help give an idea of the district's normal pay scale.
    Base: $28,500
    My pay last year: $31,200
    Sub pay, per day (idk if long term subs are paid differently): $60
     
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  3. MissScrimmage

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    Sorry, but I would not write the plans. I know that's not answering your question of what to charge, but it is the principal's job as the instructional leader to ensure that there is quality teaching happening. He/she can take over the planning.
     
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    You could ask them what they are willing to pay you and work from there. Teachers are great targets for sob stories and they might think you will do it gratis.
     
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    I already told them I would not be willing to do this for free. However, we haven't talked about price yet. I was mostly looking for an idea of what other people might consider reasonable to know if I'm asking too much or too little. I have every intention of saying no if it is either gratis or not enough to cover my time.
     
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    Did he give you a time frame of how long these plans will extend?

    Once you get an idea of how... heck, I'd just pick a dollar figure that seems fair to you (based on the time it would take to right these) and negotiate from there.
     
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    This is really an interesting proposition. Kudos to the P for actually thinking outside the box! I agree with the others, just get a definite agreement before taking on the task.
    One question, how does the P propose to find the funds to pay you?
     
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    Well, he won't be paying anyone full salary or benefits, so he is going to be making out like a bandit even if you charged him your salary from last year. If these are full year plans, he will be able to rotate subs and not pay them much, and save paying any benefits to a full time teacher. You will be a fool to be cheap with your answer - he wants your knowledge and expertise at a bargain price. Ignore the woe is me line and get paid for what you can do. I guarantee that if he has the plans the search for a new teacher goes on the back burner.
     
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    By that line of reasoning, heck yes, I'd just ask for last year's salary.
     
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    Doing the math, with your salary you were paid $120 per day. (31,200 divided by 52 weeks a year, divided by 5 days a week) Since they pay a sub $60 a day, if he paid you $60 a day that would match the $120 daily salary rate.

    I would ask anywhere from $60-100 per day for the long term lesson plans. You also have to think how far in advance does he want the plans for? Weekly, monthly or per unit of study? I would also consider what is the going rate for a tutor in your area and factor that in only because that might give you a good base rate for time spent working as a teacher hourly outside the school day. Also consider how many extra hours per day you are working on these plans.
     
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    I would imagine they would pay a set number of hours at the rate they pay for curriculum writing.
     
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    I would look at what your daily rate was last year, and I certainly wouldn't do it for less than that. In my district we are contracted for 190 days, so I would suggest dividing last year's salary by days worked to arrive at a rate.
     
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    My salary is for 39 weeks work, so I would calculate a range of $139-$161/day, and he is still saving because he isn't paying benefits. It is the benefits that can really add up. Don't believe me? Ask around and see how many jobs are offered as p/t by a couple of hours per week just to avoid paying benefits. I can understand that he may see this as a way to get the best alternate form of instruction available to his school, but your plans are only as good as the subs who follow them. I would definitely be wanting more information about how many days of plan he is looking for. I might help a trusted P for free for a month, but I suspect he is looking much more long term. Best of luck - that's a lot of plans!
     
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    I'd charge your per diem rate. Honestly though, this is a really dumb idea (not on your part, on the principal's part). I mean, a week's worth of plans to get started are fine, and maybe a pacing guide or bare-bones unit outline is fine, but detailed lesson plans for kids you've never met (well, I guess you probably know most of them, but you still get the idea)
     
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    OP probably didn't work 52 weeks, though. The daily rate of pay would be the annual salary divided by the number of contract days, which is probably in the 180-200 days-per-year range. That puts the daily rate of pay somewhere around $165, give or take.

    I'm not sure that I would reject this proposal outright. It seems intriguing enough that I might play ball, at least for a little while, and ask for a hefty sum. I'd probably go with a rate based on weeks or units. I might ask for $800 for one week of lesson plans, or $3,000 for a month-long unit, something like that. See what he says about that.
     
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    This makes the most sense to me as well. We get $50/hr for curriculum writing. In my district this would likely get put in as a curriculum writing project, and I would see how many plans I could write in the given timeframe.
     
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    From a purely practical standpoint, would you have time to write plans for 6 courses as well as doing your new job effectively?
     
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    I have no problem with the idea at all as long as you can agree on a good figure to make it worthwhile and don't overwork yourself.
     
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    Exactly. I always began the week with the end in mind, but things were adjusted and adapted as needed. So we didn't always end where I thought we would - sometimes we did less, sometimes we did more. I wrote pretty rough daily plans and would not have enjoyed trying to follow someone else's plans.
     
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    I think the principal's idea is trying to ensure quality teaching will happen.
     
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    I would go with your salary.
    Curious, do you have most of it written already?
     
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    You all have given me a lot to think about and a lot of questions that I need to work out answers to. I don't really have answers right now to most of them. :( I have the gist of most of the year figured out, but it would be quite a bit of work still. I believe this would be a throughout the school year until they find a full-time teacher. I would want it to be a monthly contract where either of us could end it with a one month's notice.
    There is a chance that they will find another solution, and depending on what happens we might not come up with a negotiation that both sides can accept. I'll update this when eventually the principal gets a plan figured out and I either accept or don't.
    If you have any more advice or ideas I would love to hear them, it is very helpful (if nothing else to remind myself that while I want to help the kids, that might not be their end goal).
     
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    Keep in mind, there are laws about how public money can be spent. This all has to be board approved. Curriculum funds for example come out of a specific account and it is all accounted for in the budget. I have a feeling they will find it easier just to hire someone at the last minute.
     
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    Luckily, they found a new teacher who can take the job. About a week before school starts, but still a much better solution than a long term sub. So I no longer have to make a choice one way or another, and my former students will have a much more stable solution. It's a huge weight off my shoulders (especially since I probably would have tried to do it all for the kids).

    Thanks for all the advice.
     
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    Things tend to work out when not dealing with a completely inept district.
     

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