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  1. Peachyness

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    TG, I'll take you up on this bet. :D Although, I'm sure you will win, which is why I will bet an imaginary $1000 to go towards the fantasy pool boy and margarita funds.

    But, back to all seriousness.... So, even if there is a slight modification to how we say the word "day" in Sunday, that means that this is not longer a compound word?
     
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    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
     
  3. cutNglue

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    I have never heard it pronounced to rhyme with undie. Interesting. I pronounce it as "day" as well.
     
  4. Auter12

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    Agreed!!:dizzy:
     
  5. cutNglue

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    Okay, now I'm confused as to how I actually say it in a sentence, but I know when I sing the song...

    There are 7 days, there are 7 days, there are 7 days in a week....

    Come on! Sign it with me!
     
  6. TeacherGroupie

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    The concept of "compound" turns out to be rather complicated (see Laurie Bauer's article on compounds in the Encyclopedia of Language and Linguistics, reproduced here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/13160522/Bauer-Compound; for a less technical account with a little more applicability to teaching, see ). Still, there's something of a continuum from phrase through compound to single word, and phenomena such as the shifting of stress (dust jacket --> dustjacket) and the reduction of full vowel to something closer to schwa (ox ford --> Oxford, where the second syllable rhymes not with cord but with herd) relate to how far along that continuum a given compound has slid.
     
  7. GoehringTeaches

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    Throwing another word into the mix...cupboard. It is "cup" and "board" but when you put it together it doesn't sound anything like that. Is it a true compound word?
     
  8. TeacherGroupie

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    In my view, Goehring, not any more.
     
  9. Peachyness

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    sigh.... *single tear falls down Peach's cheek*

    Aaaaand this is why I stick with the math and the sciences.
     
  10. TeacherGroupie

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    What??
     
  11. Auter12

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    I love that this is such an in depth grammar lesson on compound words!! ONLY a group of teachers could get this into a "simple" question from a parent!! :)

    So, can we all agree that at a 2nd grade level, teachers should only use compound words that clearly are and are NOT compound? That way the young kids won't get scared off grammar too soon!!
     
  12. TeacherGroupie

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    Sounds Like A Plan, Auter.
     
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    Just for the record . . . my North Carolina family, in particular the older members of my family, pronounces "Sunday" as "Sundie" and one as one syllable. :) I never thought the way they pronounced "Sundie" was unusal, more the fact that "Sundie" was a one syllable word :)
     
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    How is it one syllable?? I wouldn't even know how to say it with 1 syllable (with or without the "undie" pronunciation - I say the "day" version)
     
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    I suspect what INteacher intends, Auter12, is that the second syllable is destressed almost to the point of inaudibility - though you're right that, as long as there's any "there" there, it would still count as a two-syllable word.
     
  16. TeacherGroupie

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    There are any number of dialect-based jokes involving "Thursd'y" (perhaps that spelling will go over better) and "thirsty".
     
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    Okay! I get it now. I was trying to say it out loud with one syllable and the inaudible "ie" was the best I could do. It was pretty funny.:lol:
     
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    Ok, what about "Sunfest" if it is a party in the summer time...would it be a compound word? Or do words your town makes up get excluded from the worksheet for being to fluid? Just asking...honest not sass.

    I am a Teacher Groupie - um - groupie?
     
  19. WaProvider

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    And now I know why I dislike the poem about Soloman Grundy.........

    My head is still a little sore from the "simple" but still happy to be the wiser.

    BTW TG that first grade daughter of mine discovered if you sound out the word "wait" so that it "sounds like you live in England" all the vowels do what she thinks they should. I told her you would laugh and be proud, then tell her "not really".

    She said, from there you just smoosh until you sound like you live in our town!

    Made me laugh.
     
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    Very good, WaProvider! (Though that's true of only some of the dialects in England: the dialect diversity, in a country the total land area of which is smaller than 31 of the 50 states, is truly astonishing.)
     
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    Wa Provider, I would say that sunfest would be a compound word... though I may not use it on a worksheet either...

    Now I'm second guessing myself... is fest a word? Or is it simply a short form of "festival"? I don't know... now I'm leaning towards no...
     
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    I'm from NC, and quite a few members of my family pronounce it "sundie" as well, and with a strongly enunciated first syllable to boot. I pronounce it like "Sun" and "Day" (I have a tendency to emphasize BOTH syllables in two-syllable words).
     
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    Ok its late and I'm really confused. The word butterfly, is it a compound word?
    I looked it up and it said it was but after reading some posts I dont know what is fact or fiction. PLEASE HELP!
     
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    I argue no... butterfly is not a compound word.
     
  25. monsieurteacher

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    But then when I read the following derivation... from wikipedia, but it seems plausible nonetheless, I think that perhaps it IS a compound word:

    For instance, the word butterfly, commonly thought to be a metathesis for flutter by, which the bugs do, is actually based on an old bubbe-maise that butterflies are petite witches that steal butter from window sills.
     
  26. monsieurteacher

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    I do believe I may have just turned this thread into an argument with myself.
     
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    Mission Accomplished!!:D:D:D
     
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    That definitely takes talent! Who do you think will win?
     
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    All I can say is that this thread has been very entertaining
     
  30. monsieurteacher

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    If it's not me, I have more to worry about than compound words!
     
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    Just as long as it doesn't turn to fisticuffs!
     
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    That I might need to see.:lol:
     
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    Best of luck on the whole "butterfly issue", and sorry about the Sunfest idea. It just struck me.

    @TG-as far as the "wait" word and my first graders idea for making language work.....

    Oh, I am totally sure that it doesn't work for all words or even the same word in all areas. However, I was happy to see her try to rationalize the greater "vowel shift" and "old English" themes from your answers into her young...confused....mind. This tells me she is really listening and retaining, perhaps she will grow up to me a language artist like you! She actually likes to pick things apart now where she used to just be overwhelmed! Thanks. ;)
     
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    Wheee!
     
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