Other teachers aren't teaching

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  1. wann2119

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    I have been working in this daycare for a little over a month now. I teach 3 yr olds. I spend a lot of time with the 4 yr old teachers in the building, and the more they talk, the more I realize they aren't really teaching. Their kids do worksheets, but that is the extent of the learning process. One girl (newer to the school than me) says she doesn't let her 4 yr olds use glue because it is too messy. Neither of the girls let them use scissors, because they might get hurt.

    My 3 yr olds practice scissors center 3 days of the week, are turning into professional gluers (it should be a job if it isn't), and are learning things that the older kids won't have the opportunity to learn.

    Yesterday another teacher came to me and said she was asking to have her daughter moved to my room because she knows I am actually teaching....not just letting them play.

    So, yesterday I thought I would help the girls out. I purchased new books with tracing worksheets and asked if they would like copies. Only one was interested. I also had some cutting patterns and again asked if they would like copies. Nope.

    I'm new and some of these girls have been in the school for a while. I'm not really sure how much the director even cares, but...should I say something to her? Should I just keep offering materials to the other girls. Should I mind my own business?

    I don't think it is fair to the kids or the parents at this school, but is it worth stirring up the water?

    Sorry, just really frustrated. I just keep thinking about all of this work I am doing with my kids and in a month or two some of them will be moving up. I don't want them to move up to a teacher who just lets them play all day.
     
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  3. Beverly

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    Yes, it's worth discussing with your director. I'm sure that even if those teachers still try to avoid using scissors, they'll at least start doing more than they've been doing if the director tells them to. You might even suggest doing a checklist once or twice a year for each child to keep track of what they're learning. That way, the teachers will better know the expectations for curriculum. You know your director better than we do, but it can't really hurt to at least mention your concerns- especially if you mention the parents who are also concerned.
     
  4. Caesar753

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    Actually, I wouldn't go to the director if I were in your shoes. If you do, it will probably sound like tattling, and that's no way to establish a professional relationship with your colleagues.

    Why isn't the director already aware of what's going on (or what isn't going on) in those classrooms?
     
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    I don't think it's your job to be offering these teachers things to do with the children in their care. I would, though, go to the director and share your concerns. What's going to happen to these children who have left your space with these wonderful skills? Are they going to lose them because they're in a room where nothing is being done?

    I would voice my concerns.
     
  6. WaProvider

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    Perhaps your director would invest in a community subscription to NAEYC (National Association for the Education of Young {or now "youth and"} children). This could allow you to have a dialog about why you think things are needed rather than just having a discussion to which your director may or may not see value.

    In a perfect world a lot would change. Keep trying for the good of the children, when more parents try to fill your room than the others you will have a full room and they will not. That will Talk!
     
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    Don't you have to do progress reports and evaluations? I am required to do progress reports on every child in my room in Novemeber and march and full evaluations (very detailed--probably more so than elementary report cards) in January and June. the director reads every single one from every single class--- Children entering into Kindergartenor first grade these days with out those skill are unfortunalty going to be way behind and are being set up or poor self esteem and academic failure from the start--- I would advocate with for the children-- a good way to start might be to ask the teachers that your children will move up to for a list of skills they would like the children to be able to do when they get to their rooms--- then you might take it to the director and ask her for suggesstions to hlep you help the children get ready for those rooms-- if those teachers aren't looking for much in the way of skills for their class it might raise a red flag to the director--also a list of skills and objectives should always be readily available--- And if that other teacher goes to the director and requests that her child be put in your room the director will msotl likely want to know why an dmaybe that will get her watching the others as well.
     
  8. vbubbles1874

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    I would just keep doing what you are doing...but you might be able to talk to a few trusted parents and see if they can start a fire under the director. I personally don't like making waves because it usually comes back to bite me in the a**. If kids start transitioning over to the 4 yr old room; before too long parents will realize what's going on and start to complain.

    I am however surprised that there isn't a set curriculum or student evaluating system in place. I have to turn in lesson plans, create portfolios for each child and do parent/teacher conf. twice a year. On Fridays we have to turn in our lesson plan for the week just finished and do a literacy review on the back. We have to write out what we did what worked, what didn't work how we could change it, etc...It's a little extra work, but it keeps you "honest" and on task.

    Good luck!!!
     
  9. wann2119

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    I talked to one of the other teachers today and she actually brought up the conversation. She saw my daily parent form that told what all we were doing that day. She said that she had never been told what she should do with the kids. She opened the door and I gave her a few suggestions.

    I think the problem here is just lack of training and knowledge. No one has ever told the other teachers what they should be doing. I know what to do because I've worked in daycares/schools for 10 years. I also have a lot of college classes behind me in early education and elementary education.

    As for the director, I'm not talking to her. As far as I can tell, she is oblivious to the fact that there is a daycare in our building. Honestly, I don't know how often she ventures past the office. The only time I see her is in the morning when she drops her children off. She has a masters in education. She knows what the kids should be doing. Her own kids are in these same classes and she doesn't seem to care that they only color and play with toys.

    I have decided that I am going to keep talking to this other teacher whenever she brings it up. Today I suggested that she practice scissors with them. When I walked in this afternoon, they were all around a table cutting. I can tell she wants to do better and just doesn't know how.

    Thanks for all the suggestions.
     
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    Sarzac...didn't see your reply until I had posted already. No evaluations are done with these children. I made one of my own for my class, but have yet to do it. I never have a moment when I can work one on one with a child, without the other children being there. They get easily distracted by others and it doesn't seem like a fair evaluation.

    Vbubbles...no one wants to see lesson plans. As far as I can tell, I am the only one who makes lesson plans.
     
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    I am sooooo happy that the other teacher is using your ideas!!! Networking is a great way to learn, as long as the person you are speaking to is listening. Now that you know she is-you are validated. How wonderful.

    Even though the director isn't aware-when the parents begin to move into the classes that are good vs the other there will be some money incentive to switch gears.



     
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    wow-- all of our teachers in preschool have to have theri associates at least and/or certificatin fromt he state in early childhood education--minimum of 6 credits to even work as an aide and I have my cert as an early childhood development specialist and more than 27 credits jsut in ECE to be a lead teacher in the preschool plus years of working at the same center as an aide in preschool and kindergarten and I did my apprenticeship here too-- I guess we reall y do have high standards here in NH for ECE
     
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    WA is working toward values in ECE like this-however-during development many of our programs are actually experience the sorts of crunches that the OP is describing. There are federal pushes for quality, but not all people are at the same level all the time.
     
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    I live in MO and there are no standards. This is a church daycare, so it may be different in the public school preschools. The surprising part is that no one has mentioned any training or CPR certification. I guess it isn't required here. When I worked in AR, we at least had to have that, even in a Christian daycare.
     
  15. young_ones

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    The sad thing is that when I worked in a daycare setting I saw this A LOT. There were times when a teacher would sit in the doorway to talk to the other teacher across the hall. The director was very much the same. It gives the good teachers a bad name. And I would have to agree with you that a lot of it comes from lack of training and supervision. Unfortunately, here in PA you only have to have minimal amount of experience to be an aide. It’s sad for the children who attend these classes.

    Hats off to you, though, for trying to make difference.
     
  16. Prekfreak

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    I think that you are doing the right thing. Just keep that "open door" and be willing to share any ideas and maybe ask the others for their input, that might make them get into a little bit.
    Good luck!!
     
  17. Master Pre-K

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    I agree...and straddle the fence.

    as a member of naeyc... I have pledged to a code of ethics that says we will we not harm or hinder children. And we will not tolerate (or something like that) injustice by parents or co-workers to children.

    You know those teachers are not teaching.

    usually, when monitors and inspectors come by, they can spot a ditto person a mile away.

    and glue sticks are easier than glue..but what fun is that? the kids at this age need to feel smell, and react to sticky glue. Glue sticks are like velcro on shoes. Quick and easy=for the parents. They do the job, but it doesn't teach the kids how to deal with other things in life.

    But on the otherhand... you are not their direct supervisor. You can't go into somebody else's room and tell them what to do. You could help your aide understand developmentally appropriate practices, but not somebody else's assistant..unless they asked you, and both of you talked together.

    the best suggestion is to ask the director to visit the rooms, and say you had a 'concern' that all the classes were not doing some of the same things :whistle: and several parents wanted to know why. Is it possible each class could be on the same theme? That would make the director responsible for checking lesson plans (uh...they do have them posted, right?) and checking the bulletin boards.. (a instant tell-tale giveaway)

    Maybe we need more background. Does your director check weekly lesson plans? Does she come to your room often, and comment on what is good, what isn't and why?

    It ticks me off when a director tells me what is wrong with my stuff (yes...many moons ago.. in High-Scope), and then I see the very same thing on another teacher's board and she is praising them for their work :confused: I say it's a mind game and they have favorites. That could also be the case. :unsure:

    You might be earning more money.

    They may be just trying to keep a classroom filled.

    If you speak up, you could be blowing everyone's cover...and who wants that?

    You will know by their reaction. If they are geniunely concerned, AND do something...you made the right choice. But if a director ignores your comments, or says don't worry...and does nothing, or worse...yells at you for not minding your own business...you have some serious decisions to make. You are right...but speaking up could lead you right out of a job. :(
     
  18. WaProvider

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    But then again after a few interviews you might find that out of this job is just where you want to be.:blush:

    I agree w/ everythink MPK is saying-either way becareful and make sure you aren't going to get caught in a trap in the next room.
     
  19. Master Pre-K

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    let me go back to this

    I want to revisit this scene...

    "It ticks me off when a director tells me what is wrong with my stuff (yes...many moons ago.. in High-Scope), and then I see the very same thing on another teacher's board and she is praising them for their work!! I say it's a mind game and they have favorites. That could also be the case. " Master Pre-K


    When you have 2 or more classrooms, all the same level in one building and you are all doing something totally different, and the director is okay with that...it does send a mixed message. Like anything else..there should be some highs, lows and in betweens. But it really bugs me when I see things that should , or critical things you know...like lesson plans, fire evacuation routes...that SHOULD be posted in everybody's classroom, and they are allowed to get away with not doing this.

    Not being on the same theme is one thing. You can study community workers, room A studies transportation, and room C studies friends and family. But if I saw finger and easel painting in one room, stamp pads-bingo dots in another, and no paint at all because, hey...they are too messy, that would raise a red flag for me!

    I am sure if you look closer, you will see there is some overt or undercover favoritism going on and that stinks big time!!! JMO...but that may be the root of the problem.
     

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