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  1. MJH

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    I need an outside opinion on an issue that is brewing at my school and school hasn't even started yet. We are a PBS inner city school. We are being told by the behavior specialist that we will be carrying these behavior batons around with us to track student's behavior. If you know anything about Quamtum Learning is based off of their Above/Below the Line strategy. These batons will be yard sticks painted in various colors to represent different levels and we will use clothes pins to show the students which level they are on. Some teachers are upset because our parents tend to use rulers, yard sticks and sticks as a way to spank their child and are very upset that they are to intimidate students by carrying around these sticks. They have offered the solution of usng clipboards instead but that suggestion received a deaf ear. The teachers don't have objections to the method just the tool being used. We are a Title 1 school and 99% black, not really sure if that matters or not when weighing in about your opinions. Oh, we are a pre-k - 4 school.

    What do you think? As a teacher or parent would you want to or have your child's teacher carrying around a painted yard stick in the halls, caferteria and ect as a tool for behavior?

    The new P, to the school, is letting the behavior specialist and the committee take this over because he is very overwhelmed and has been at meetings most of the summer since we are only 1 level away from being taken over by the state for not meeting AYP. He has approved the plan but the behavioral specialist would not present the clipboard idea to him so he has only heard her suggestion.




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    I personally don't like the tool either. I know from experience that when I'm doing measurement with my students I have at least one student duck when I first pick up a ruler or yard stick. I alway have to have a converstation about how we use these tools in school and that they are not use for hitting or hurting anyone. Growing up many of my friends were spanked with these objects as well and they alway refered to them as sticks. I've had to call CPS twice in my 21 years because parents left marks from using yard sticks to hit their child, marks were on the legs and arms of these children.
     
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  3. pwhatley

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    Oh my goodness! If we did that at my school, not only would we have screamers and runners, we'd end up on the news in a heartbeat!
     
  4. jessiiteach

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    Are the kids really out of control or something? Any kind of stick or baton is going to be perceived as threatening, in my opinion. I think there is even a law suit risk.
     
  5. czacza

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    I think the stick method is disgusting.
     
  6. CFClassroom

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    Is it similar to this? This is what I use
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    I love the system, but see the point about the yard stick. I printed mine (see link above) as a banner on Vistaprint for free and attached magnets. It travels with my class.
     
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    yep don't like the big stick idea - makes me think of a prison guard.
     
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    this to me is better than carrying around a yard stick
     
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    Someone needs to take a big stick to that behavior specialist :dizzy:
     
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    Honestly... when I read "behavior baton" the first thing that popped into my mind was the stereotypical Hollywood cop portrayal - cop tapping a baton/billy club against his palm.

    I think it's a horrible, horrible idea.
     
  11. callmebob

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    I don't like the idea because I would not want to have to carry around something will be all the time, regardless of what it was. I have seen teachers use similar things as to the above picture, but it stayed on the wall.
    But, I am not against it due to the stick idea itself. I still believe that discipline/behavior should be 95% respect and 5% fear.
     
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    What is the point of carrying it around? If a student needs to drop a level, it can wait a few minutes until you return to the classroom. Everyone can check the chart before they leave the room. For what it's worth, I've worked for a school that has the same demographics you described, and carrying a yardstick around the building would not do much to change behavior.
     
  13. Hitchcock fan

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    I, too, visualized a billy club when I first read your post. I would object to this if the students were purple with stripes, but I am VERY surprised we haven't read about your school in the newspaper. What a DUMB idea. Now, the chart is something else, but think about this -- if the students went around carrying a yard stick, they'd be expelled for having a weapon. Oh, this is DUMB!
     
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    :lol: I agree! Is this person a consultant? We did PBIS at my old school. I was on the PBIS Team.Our "consultant" )who had various degrees) was a joke.
     
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    I don't like it at all. Because then you would be displaying the behavior of your students to anyone who walked down past you in the hallway. The idea of carrying a stick around doesn't sit well with me. I could see that going badly, especially in an area like what you are describing.
     
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    My first instinct was to recoil. I don't think the idea of a behavior baton is effective and could easily be seen as threatening. Good luck with convincing them to let you use the clipboard. Show them this thread!
     
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    The yardstick is definetly scary! What would parents think about this?! I could imagine if parents kick up that would change quickly!!
     
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    Oh, good grief! So little Johnny is skating on thin ice in the classroom and I'm supposed to get him to act better by flying his name in the red danger zone and carrying it everywhere we go? Puhleese. Embarrassing a child never gets you anywhere. I'd simply tell the "behavior specialist" that I won't do it. It flies against everything that I know about using respect as a teaching tool.
     
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    Why does it always seem like these "specialists" have really bad ideas? We're getting a "behavior specialist" for the district next year. I've heard a rumor one of the special ed teachers from another school was "promoted." She ran a few committees in the department last year and she absolutely drove me nuts with her ridiculous ideas.
     
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    Fear? Why?



    What a terrible idea, whoever thought of that really needs to spend more time around children.
     
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    We had school spirit sticks that were similar but ours was to document compliments the whole class had earned in the hallway and cafeteria.

    The kids loved them and carrying it even though it was heavy since it was anchored in a flower pot was a frequently requested job.

    But NO children were pointed out as being the bad kid of the class, and visitors had no idea which kid had had a difficult morning. Which is how it should be.
     
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    "spirit stick" has a WHOLE different connotation than "behavior baton." that just summoned up images of a prison guard. I'd be ok with a clipboard or something else if it needs to be mobile, but mine is a stationary stoplight. The kids know and understand from their own experiences that red means stop, green is good.
     
  23. MJH

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    Thank You

    Thank you all for your honest opinions. Many other teachers at my school have asked to add their name to the growing list opposed to the idea of using this "baton". I have a meeting with the P tomorrow to present him with the clipboard idea. I'm actually making one so he can see that it will be the same method as the "baton" but yet have a different meaning behind it. The clipboard idea was presented to the behavior specialist before she spoke to the principal and our committee was split on which would be best but she choose the "behavior baton" because it was what she wanted. Now, she is upset because I will be meeting with the P even though at our last meeting when I brought up my concerns she said that I would have to talk to the P about any changes because he had already approved her plan and idea. I told her that was part of the problem, it's her idea and plan and no others were presented as an option and that is not how a committee works. I guess she didn't think that he would actually meet with me. I really hate, okay will love to tell her, he has asked me to be chair of this committee because he has more confidence in me than he does himself. After reading that e-mail I feel really good going into this meeting and I'm about 85% sure that he will allow teachers the choice of tools to use. If others want to use the baton fine, but I'm not comfortable using it based on personal experiences which I will reveal to him if necessary. I saw a friend get beat with a yard stick growing up and my mother had to call the police on her. Not a sight that I enjoy visualizing daily as I carry this stick around. Again, thank you, I feel so much better knowing I'm not being a negative nelly about this.
     
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    I like that spirit stick idea. But I don't think I'd carry even that around. I can see it "planted" in my classroom with some kind of flag....raising it higher everytime they get a compliment.

    Hmmm.....maybe I wouldn't have to "plant" it. I could have a string attached to two ends.....
     
  25. SCTeachInTX

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    What does it say on each color?
     
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    As one of those who was sometimes hit with something similar to a yard stick, I whole-heartedly disapprove. Not a pleasant thought to go through your mind while teaching, or for the kiddos, while trying to learn. I think that for some of the students, namely those who have been hit with similar objects, it will subconsciously develop in them a fear of school and/or teachers. There are so many other things that could be used! You could make a thermometer out of cardboard or foamboard. You could pretty much use anything, even if the clipboard doesn't fly. I think, however, that it's important to avoid something long and weighty like the yardstick. At least if you made them out of something that lacked the weight, it might alleviate some of the stress on the kids. Don't let her do this!! Personally, I hate it when one of my kids tries to play with my yard stick - it so easily turns into a weapon. What if a teacher puts it down? What's to stop the kids from picking it up and playing with it - and accidentally hurting someone? There's no way that every teacher in the building will have it in their hands at all times - maybe you can add that point to your argument. At least a clipboard is boring to the kids - not interesting as in "Let's have a swordfight". Good luck.
     
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    You, even though I already disapprove of this, I never thought of what you mentioned. But I could totally see that. How sad for those little ones - not even school would seem safe to them:(
     
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    Wanted D or A

    I've seen this method. It was Tombstone, AZ., OK Corral October 26, 1881. The teachers, Earp brothers and Doc, used similar devices to help the pesky Clantons and McLaurys realize the straight and narrow.
     
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    The yardstick can be quite a fun toy to use in the classroom while teaching. *Just a sidenote thought*
     
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    Huh?:confused:
     
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    You know, fun. It is okay to have fun in the classroom. Don't have to be serious all the time.
     
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    Please share. What fun activities do you use a yardstick for? I'm imagining all kinds of measurement centers with standard and nonstandard units of measure, but if you have some other innovative ideas, we'd love to share.
     
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    Well yes it is used for those ideas, but that is not what I was referencing. I wasn't meaning fun learning activities, more along the lines of...toss a wadded piece of paper in the air and see how far you can hit it with the yard stick. There are other fun things to do with a yard stick, thats just one example.
     
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    So that would be a....science activity?
     
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    If you want to classify it as such, I would be okay with that.
     
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    Some of the things I remember most from elementary (and even high school) are times when my teachers would look at us, look outside, notice that we were looking outside more than at our work, and decide to just scrap the lesson for a few minutes and do something random and fun, like a paper airplane contest, or a paper ball fight, or a quick game a tag. No official educational impact at all, just five or so minutes of fun. We came back, we were focused, and we did our work. Sometimes, if none of my students are feeling the lesson, I'll stop for a minute, so some ridiculous game, and then come back. I have a whole arsenal of activities saved up for when I realize five minutes into a 45 minute lesson that either the students already know the material or have none of the background skills needed to do the activity and I'm not prepared to start from step one when we were supposed to start at step 15. I'm not going to force material onto children that they are not prepared (physically, mentally, or emotionally) to learn. It only makes them frustrated and they will shut down.
     
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    MissCB,

    I completely agree with that. Every teacher has different ways of getting students attention or getting them engaged. I don't always have the students do the fun thing I am doing, but the fact that I do it, they enjoy. Students love it when a teacher lets their guard down and just relaxes with them. Doing or saying something random or fun in the classroom can lighten the mood and with all the stress that gets put on students to get high test scores these days, they need some of that.
     
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    Clipboard is a MUCH better idea.
     
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    But should teachers really be expected to carry that around with them all the time?
     
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    My high school geometry teacher hurled one like a spear at a blackboard to represent a line intersecting a plane. It certainly got everyone's attention, and we all laughed.

    I taught a low SES population, and they loved to see the yardsticks come out, because it meant we were doing something fun in math or science. I'm under the impression that a lot of them don't even have rulers at home, let alone yardsticks. We would take meter sticks and yardsticks out at recess and challenge students to jump along them and measure how far they could jump, just to get them used to what a yard and a meter were. Meter sticks and yardsticks are legitimate tools for measuring, so maybe you should be introducing their legitimate uses through science and math activities.

    This said, I don't like the idea of having to parade around school with my class behavior on a yardstick. Sending a clipboard or a binder seems much more reasonable.
     
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    Nope, it is the job of the class clipboard carrier or the class binder carrier.
     

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