Opinion....field trips and $$$$

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  1. ecteach

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    How much do you think is an appropriate amount to request from parents for a field trip for students who are attending a Title 1 school? I'll fill you in on why I'm asking after I get the responses.
     
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    $5-$10. But that's based on my own children attending a Title 1 school. They had a couple of trips (4th and 5th grades) that cost $40.

    There wasn't a single family that couldn't come up with $40 with the 8 months notice they got. Of course some claimed they couldn't. The PTA would cover the costs for those kids.

    However, about 25% of our families were very comfortable financially. We all worked hard to raise money and would donate a lot as well. If the school did not have that resource, and the system/school budget didn't pay for the trips, then I'd say zero.
     
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    For an academic field trip, nothing. Knowing my population, it's not worth the headache of finding out later how many can't/won't cover it.

    For extra-curricular field trips, the most I've asked for is $20 for play tickets.
     
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    $5-10. Around here, most places give discounts to title schools. Is that true in other areas? In the title schools I've been in, it is $2-5 with the school using title funds to make up the difference.
     
  6. Go Blue!

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    Depends on the trip. My Title 1 school is asking for $100 for a Senior Class trip to NYC. We asked for about $40 or $50 for our end-of-the-year HS field trip to King's Dominion (amusement park in Virginia). Honestly, I have found that many kids that get Free Lunch, cannot afford school supplies, their parents cannot afford to keep the phone connected all year long, etc. can somehow find the money for these fun trips. Of course not all, but many.

    Now, our educational trips are much cheaper and a few are even free depending on trip. Yellow school buses are about $500 each here and they are NOT free - probably because the majority of the schools in Baltimore City PS are Title 1 so all buses would have to be free. Sometimes, teachers can work out a deal where the trip destination will also pay for the bus since we are a Title 1 school.

    I have said this before: I have no problem with students not being able to go on a trip, especially a fun one, because they cannot afford it. Unfortunately, these are the trips the kids want to go on; many would rather pay $50 to go Six Flags than pay $10 to go to the Smithsonian.
     
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    What field trips did they go on that cost $40?
     
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    Most trips are between $10-12. We have to pay for the bus(es). So a couple are cheaper and some a bit more. We'll short the bus fund to pay for any students who can't afford it.

    Our 5th grade goes to camp & they fund raise to help bring the cost down.
     
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    Trips out of town - bus and admission
     
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    I really think anything over $10 is unacceptable. In a perfect world all people with children would be able to afford them, but obviously that's not the case. Some of that is attributed to ignorance and stupidity (very different things, of course), but life also has a way of making a mess if your best laid plans. So a school field trip, while often great and worthwhile, shouldn't burden families since it's not their choice of activities.
     
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    I have one next week that is $40 a student- we had to get a coach bus since the drive is over an hour and we have two students who are diabetic and need access to the bathroom. That's what bumped it up to that much (before it was $34 or less) but you can't explain that to families. I don't think any family would have an issue paying that at my private school- I think only one family refused to pay it (it wasn't about not being able to afford it, they just didn't want to have to pay so our activities budget covered it).

    Title 1 is a whole different type though- so I would try to limit it to under $20.
     
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    I wish bus companies and the places that we want to bring our students would understand that. :( But when you're charging $500 or more for a bus alone and the school budgets are constantly being cut, there's no way you can only charge $10.
     
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    $10 to $15 is usually the ceiling for Title 1 schools. Over this and many parents will complain unless you are going somewhere incredible and give lots of advanced notice. Even then, it is a tough sell.
     
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    We do it all the time, but I know there are many variables at play. I would be very uncomfortable informing families of much more expensive field trips...just doesn't "feel right to my soul".
     
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    Nothing. Zero. Nada.
     
  16. missrebecca

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    Depends on the school... even for Title 1 schools, there is some variability. I worked at a 100% free breakfast/lunch/uniform school that still charged money for field trips ($4). It's hard to find affordable field trips and near impossible to provide them for free...

    Donorschoose.org might be a good place to round up some funds, come to think of it. ;)
     
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    At my title on school it depends on the purpose of the field trip. For example, at least one field trip per grade level is paid for with title one funds. There is a lot of paper work involve and activate for before and after the trip have to be described. Other trips are paid for by parents. Trips for clubs or anything out of town is paid for by parents and cost can range$10 and a few hundred. Last year out school choir went to DC on a four day trip. The cost was about $225 plus the cost of two meals. Parents were notified months in advanced, and most students went.
    I know some think that it's not fair to take a field trip that every student can't attend. But the truth of the matter is, all kids shouldn't miss out because some can't afford to go.
     
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    I think anything over $10 is ridiculous--even at a non Title one school. There's not much in my area that would cost much more than that anyway.
     
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    Unacceptable? So who is supposed to pay the $500 bus fee? Our school/"PTA" claims they don't have $500 for every bus needed for every trip. If you put 50 kids on a bus, that $10 right there.
     
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    We're doing 3 this year. Parents are being asked for $18 and they have the option to pay over 3 installments. My school is Title 1.
     
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    This is the first year I'm asking for money for a trip, and it will cost $3/student. Everything else we do is free. All the museums, aquarium, etc. around here have free workshops and trips for the kids. Once of our trips was to the local NPR radio station-totally free, and the kids loved it.

    We either walk, get the bus sponsored with a grant from the organization we're going to (a lot will do this) or ask for parent drivers.

    I think maybe not all districts will allow parent drivers-I only used them once last year, but this year I'm leaning heavily on them. It's allowing us to take 12 trips this year.
     
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    We are not allowed to ask for any money from parents and we aren't even a Title 1 school. Any field trips have to be specifically donated or completely free (no buses). Last year, we walked to the park and discussed biology in the botanical gardens.
     
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    This is why we don't do field trips anymore. When parents refuse to pay, and we have so much red-tape over asking them for money, then we'd much rather just stay in the classroom, and do work.

    People complain that schools don't take kids out to museums, or the field to experience their subject, well, when you guilt teachers about asking for more than $10 per student or about not taking the students who can't afford to go, then that's your fault.

    I personally think if you can't afford to go on the field trip, except in certain cases, you can't go. If a student looks like they are a hard working student and shows promise and literally can't afford to go, I would pay for them myself if that was the system.

    And yes, circumstances arise where parents who can't afford children, somehow have them, but that doesn't account for the vast amount of students who are born into families that can't afford them. These parents need to figure out their lives first before they start bringing new life into the world.

    My two cents.
     
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    Wet get busing for free, so our trips usually cost well under $10, I teach at a Title 1 school and try to charge $10 or less. More than that I can usually get some covered by the PTA. I go on a lot of trips- and a lot of them are $2 or completely free, so I don't feel bad going on one more expensive one, it evens itself out.


    We're in NYC- if we weren't title one or were located just outside the city in the suburbs where the busing isn't free and most admissions aren't subsidized there are loads of trips that could cost well over $40 a child. I try to stress to my students how lucky we are to have so many great opportunities.
     
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    Yes, unacceptable. And it's simple: if the money isn't provided by the school whether it's through fundraising or grants or whatever other possible source, no one pays...because no one goes.
     
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    All of our field trips are funded through PTO. Each grade level gets a budget to use for field trips. Children pay nothing- the cafeteria even packs sack lunches for them so they don't even have to bring a lunch.
     
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    I have a hard time knowing there are teachers who feel the way you do. That is, if students can't afford a field trip they can't go (except in certain cases, as you state). I realize you teach middle or high school, but would you apply this to elementary as well?
     
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    I see you live in Maryland. Can't most parents there easily take their kids to the DC museums and zoo on their own? There is no admission cost to any of the Smithsonian sites. Now, Kings Dominion, as a family excursion, is quite expensive. My guess is those parents find the money somewhere so their kids can at least go there on a field trip.
     
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    That seems like a very high number of field trips. Aren't you missing a lot of instructional time?
     
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    If the field trip is well-planned, it is just as valuable, if not more so, than time spent in a classroom. I don't remember a single lesson I learned in elementary school (with a few exceptions) or a single worksheet, or story I wrote. But I remember things I learned at museums on field trips to this day. As a high school teacher, I wish I could take students on more field trips.
     
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    No. I teach in Baltimore City, which is a high-poverty, urban, inner-city district. Majority of our kids get Free Lunch and free MTA bus passes just to get to-and-from school. Many of our parents do not have reliable transportation themselves and taking their kids to D.C. would count as a big time vacation - not a simple or quick day trip.

    You would be surprised at how many kids here in Baltimore have never been to D.C. unless they have gone as a school trip. Well, you would be surprised until you began teaching here.
     
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    You better preach!!!

    Just don't preach too loud here in Baltimore ... The mobs will come out and get you for not having any sympathy for the plight of the urban, inner-city family ... :cool:
     
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    Yes. I do believe this should apply to elementary school. If we are to do field trips and take everyone, the state should require districts to put aside money just for students who qualify for free lunch. If a student doesn't qualify for free lunch and their parent doesn't pay, it should be assumed that the parent simply made the choice to not have their student attend. The student can sit in study hall and complete other work.

    This is preferable than making all students suffer because we would just not plan a field trip with continued restrictions such as the ones you are proposing.
     
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    Peregrin, under the state constitution, the Education Code, and an assortment of court cases including Hartzell v. Connell (1984), the policy you outline is illegal in California. See http://www.casc.net/students-fees-for-educational-activities/ for a list of prohibited fees and the relevant laws or court cases.
     
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    I understand that this is illegal. But legal or not, we're essentially just cutting field trips out of the curriculum entirely because of this law.
     
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    Suffer, huh? #firstworldproblems :|

    You are not being very clear, though. The state doesn't require districts to put aside field trip money for students on free or reduced lunch, so what's your answer to the issue of those students not paying? You said those students not receiving f/r lunch who don't pay are to remain in some sort of study hall (because a first grader would be so productive in a seven hour study hall, of course), but for the others?
     
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    So do I. It should not be the school's responsibility to pay for every child that cannot afford to go on a trip.
     
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    You don't pay. You don't go. IMO, it's that simple.
     
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    Yes, I gathered that. Of course we disagree. In fact, I find it hurtful that you feel comfortable with a child of any age staying at school all day in a "study hall" because their parents cannot afford a field trip. If an activity is during instructional hours, it shouldn't be withheld from anyone because of lack of payment.

    But I was asking someone else. His response was a bit ambiguous and I am seeking clarification.
     
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    Go blue,

    So if a 1st grader can't afford the $10 since mom got laid off from her job a few weeks ago, then the child doesn't attend the field trip? I know in AZ when I was in public schools that was against the district rules and maybe even state. It would also be against my moral compass as well. Wouldn't it just be better to go to PTO, or have a bake sale or something so those who truly can't afford it can attend also?
     
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    Hurtful yes, but that's what their parents decided. We shouldn't have the responsibility to hold back other students from experiencing their education first hand for the lowest common denominator because their parents thought it was more important to buy themselves a new set of pumps rather than pay for their student's education.

    I don't know what was ambiguous about my response. GoBlue hit it on the head. You don't pay, you don't go.
     
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