Discussion in 'General Education' started by Caesar753, Sep 9, 2010.
Sep 9, 2010
That's all I have to say about that.
WOW - really, wow!! What's your total number of students???
It's like 225 right now. I've had that many students before, but it was usually spread across 6 or 7 classes, not 5.
Holy Cow - that's a lot of kids!!! Is this normal or have you have cut backs??
Reminds me of some college classes where I felt learning suffered a bit due to the class size.
I would be upset as a teacher with a class that size. I would be mad and do something about it if my child was in a class that size.
I don't know what I'd do if I had a class that size. Especially since I want to teach English. I can't imagine having to grade all those papers (and give each student time w/ me to go over them!)
Wow--I thought we were bad with close to 30 per class!
Our classes seem to be going really well actually. Although we are definitely short on space, my classes seem pretty good. I feel comfortable with my classroom management and I have managed to keep everyone under control and, I think, thriving and learning. Obviously having so many students is not ideal, but that's not up to me. I do what I can to make everyone feel welcome and to help them learn. I know I'll make Latin great for these kids, all bazillion of them. :lol:
My last Latin I class of the day has 47, three of whom are AP and three of whom are Latin III H (the rest of my IIIs are in another period, but they had scheduling problems and could only take Latin during this period). It's tricky to have a 3-way split like that, and I'm not entirely sure how I'm going to manage it, but I'm definitely going to try my best.
Who'd have thunk so many kids want to take Latin huh?! Word must have spread about how fabulous you are . It sounds like you're handling it great. And students don't actually need desks to sit at right? Cause I know your room does not fit 52 desks.
I love your positive attitude about the situation.
Haha, my room has 40 desks. The rest of the students are at my work tables and my teacher desk. It's...interesting. :lol:
Okay, I'll stop complaining about my 42! :lol:
:lol::lol: Mrs K! Now you can just take a deep breath when it feels like too many students and think, "Well, at least it's FORTY two in here and not FIFTY two" and suddenly feel a whole lot better . Seriously though, 42 is certainly a big class as well.
Wow! In our contract, high school teachers (except for like band) have a limit of 150 students.
I can't even imagine. We have caps on students. No more than 35 per class.
Last year I had a class of 30 and I found that large!!!
Do you really get to know them? Like by name?
(Just for comparison...there are 64 kids in our entire high school, 9-12...)
I don't know everybody's name yet, but I'm learning. I think I'll have everybody's name by the end of next week.
I get to know them a lot through things they write for me and in conversations before or after class with them. I always stand in the doorway and greet students as they enter and wave them off as they leave. Just asking a kid if they had a nice weekend lets kids open up about themselves a lot.
Sep 10, 2010
Wow Cassie! That's all I can say: wow!
Cas~what other foreign language classes does your school offer?
Wow, Cassie. Our classes now max out at 42, since most classrooms only have 42 desks.
So if my chairman ever observes my 8th period geometry class, he'll get the teacher's chair.
Besides Latin, we have French, Spanish, and Spanish for Spanish Speakers.
It's great that so many students want to take Latin that you have that many in one class though it does pose a challenge, but one that I know you can handle!
Sep 11, 2010
Whoa! What grade levels are you teaching?
High school, 9-12. Most of my students are 9th and 10th graders, though.
I honestly can't comprehend how you're going to be effective at teaching such large classes. With those numbers, you don't even have the time to allow each child to ask 1 question per class.
I think I will be able to handle it. Here's hoping, anyway! :lol:
My seating arrangement is sort of in five chunks. A set of desks is backed against the near side wall, facing across the room to the other side wall. A chunk of desks is backed against the back wall, facing across the front of the room (and that first set of desks) to the board. A chunk of desks is backed against the far side wall, facing across the room to the second set of desks, a fourth set of desks is situated sort of in the middle of the room facing the front board, and finally I have a three/four part worktable that wraps around that center group. I've been putting my IIIs and APs at that table so that they can collaborate while I'm focusing on the bigger class. There's also a big aisle down the middle of the room so that I can access everyone easily and quickly.
I'll try to take pictures of my setup.
I think that my setup is good because it provides a natural division into small(er) groups. My hope is that the students will grow comfortable in their little 'neighborhoods' so that they don't feel so lost in such a big group. Also, I can see the advantages of having several split classes, because my older/higher students can take over some of my responsibilities as a helper/checker/question-answerer as the class is working on practice activities.
I'm also really making a very, very concerted effort this year to make my lessons as active and engaging as possible. I've always tried to do this, but it's very important this year more than ever.
We've been doing a lot of activities where students are getting up and being active. Although it looks absolutely chaotic, I know that learning is happening because I can see it. On the third day of school we started learning the numbers 1-10 (not the numerals, but the cardinals: unus, duo, tres, quattuor...). Students love counting aloud because when they get to the number six, they get to shout it. (The number six in Latin is "sex"....:lol: )
One of the activities we've done as sort of a sponge activity in the last few minutes of class on most of the days since then is where I have everyone stand up, find a partner from another 'neighborhood', put one hand behind their back, choose a number 1-5 and show that number on their fingers (still behind their back), count to three, display their numbers to their partner, and the first person who can add up the numbers on the two hands and then shout out the Latin number gets a point. I hope that doesn't sound too confusing. The kids get it when I explain it. :lol:
We also do "7s" (rhythmic counting/pattern activity) as a brain break activity. It looks especially cool when such large groups do it, so the kids really get into that one.
This is a video describing the game of "7s" or "Sevens". I love this game. I have my students count in Latin as we do it. :lol:
Sep 13, 2010
52 seems insane...I distinctly remember my HS counselor telling me I couldn't take classes that were full (25 students) without teacher consent.
You must be amazing with your classroom management.
Sep 14, 2010
I will make a comparison at what I'm getting at......
Algebra II is the catch all of math. It's stupid how much they try to pack into this class. When I first taught it, I asked the 30 year teacher how she gets through it all. She was blunt, "In an honors class of 10 students, we get to chapter 10 if we're lucky." There are 14 chapters in the book and the book doesn't cover the entire curriculum.
I've taught several of these classes, none honors and none less than 20. My BEST managaged class was 31 and it wasn't best managed because of me. I had a GREAT bunch of students. We barely got started in chapter 8 when the class was done.
Tell me again how you can be effective in a class of 50+. Better yet, leave the classroom and start showing teachers like me how to do it. You can make a ton of money and be paid a well deserved stipend if you know how to make this happen.
You don't really have to be rude about it.
I said I'm going to do my best, which is all I can do.
Sep 15, 2010
I fully understand and respect you for that my friend. You are playing the hand you have been dealt and playing as best you can.
The problem I have is when you said it was "ok". We catch a lot of crap for not doing a good job of teaching our kids and we are to blame when we accept class sizes of this nature as "ok".
If you don't stand up and say this is a screwed up situation, who will?????
Where else will the students go? I'm not the only teacher at my school with classes this large. It's a by-product of our economy and of the state of education and educational funding. While I certainly agree that it's not an ideal situation, it is what it is. I know that the students I have in my classes will learn something if I have anything to do with it...and perhaps even more than they'll learn in another teacher's classroom. I believe that I am a good teacher, and I can make do with limited resources, as I have for the duration of my teaching career.
So, yeah, it is "okay" with me. I can live with classes that large. I have a job which usually makes me very happy, and having a job is more than I can say for 14% of the population in my city. And not only that, but the students are virtually guaranteed at least one hour in the day where they can feel a sense of safety and belonging. If that's the only thing they get from my class, I'll still consider it a success. My students don't have many moments of peace and safety in their lives, and I am happy to provide that.
I like your attitude, Caesar!
Parents? Besides there are 10 or more folks waiting in line for "our" jobs right now so to pitch a fit by not be smart. I certainly agree with you in principal but reality keeps slapping me in the face.
Try forty+ kindergarten kids sometime.
One of my period one seniors switched classes, so now I'm down to 41. Woo hoo! :lol:
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