Noise in the hallway

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  1. Sarah Leigh Ann

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    Sorry this will be a little long...

    This whole situation started about three months ago. I teach across the hall from a room of interventionists. The interventionists have been in the school for five years and are known as being difficult. This year they have a group of second graders that come down to their room and stand outside until they are ready to take them in for small group reading.They can be out there for two to ten minutes depending on how far behind they are in scheduling. The second graders are very noisy and consider this a time to play. Before Christmas I said something to the kids about the noise and made them mad. One of the interventionists told me I need to shut my door and don't worry about the noise in the hallway. Well I have taught there three years and have always had my door open and like it that way. I didn't say anything just shook it off as PMS. The next day two of my children were in the door/hallway waiting on one of the interventionist and starting arguing. I went over and talked to them and then walked back into the classroom and sat down. This same woman came in and pushed the kids out of the door and slammed the door in their face. I confronted her and said please do not touch the door and explained I like the door open. She said in front of the kids, "We get tired of hearing your mouth!" I went to the assistant principal who said the kids do not need to be in hall as it is not safe to have kids waiting in the hallway unattended and asked them to step out in the hall and wave the kids down when they were ready. The kids would be standing in the doorway of their teacher's classroom. This worked wonderfully until after winter break when the groups changed and the teachers forgot. So the noise is back but I don't say anything even though for ten minutes there is so much noise my children and I can't hear each other. So on Wednesday of last week some of the kids in the hallway came to the door of my class and started yelling inside the classroom to me like "Hi!.." I told the kids to go back to their classroom and change their behavior color. The teacher next door to me said that was not fair cause they cannot self-discipline in the hallway. I disagree if it is school wide expectation and we hold high expectations for all students. So she said please shut your door and I said why is it I am punished for doing my job? She went to the same assistant principal and complained on behalf of the kids. The assistant principal issued a note stating the previous agreement which the interventionists took as a threat and are back on the rampage against me. The asst. principal said they think I treat them like 2nd class and she thinks it would be a kind gesture to shut the door one day a week to show them I am willing to do so. I think it is absolutely stupid and immature! The teacher who told on them is their biggest buddy but they don't blame her for anything just me. The asst. principal said it was only me who needed to shut the door as the kind gesture since I seem to be the only who has hurt their feelings. Please share your thoughts and again sorry this is so long.
     
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  3. Grammy Teacher

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    In my opinion, the kids should not be standing outside your door making noise ...
    Perhaps you are making too much noise for someone else as well, so close the door.
     
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    The interventionists sound like big whiny babies to me. And if they are leaving children in the hallway unattended, they are a lawsuit just waiting to happen. Keep complaining, and document everything: times, children's names, incidents, etc. You might even tape-record the noise and play it for the principal.

    Jeepers, I just loathe teachers who don't do their job, and allowing children to be noisy in a location where others are being disturbed is NOT doing their job. Any time the noise level is such that someone must close their door against it, well, that's too loud. Not to even mention extremely rude, except that I already mentioned it, didn't I. I'm such a shrinking violet when dealing with stupid people.

    Not that it matters much. Stupid people aren't called that for nothing, and most of the time they don't even understand why someone else is upset with them. Sigh.

    And no, I don't think a euphemisms for 'stupid' would be appropriate here. Why would it? I mean, ever?
     
  5. Grammy Teacher

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    I am curious as to why you are leaving your door open.
     
  6. allyd

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    This entire thing sound quite unprofessional to me. I can't even imagine people talking to each other that way in front of the students. What are they learning, seeing all that is going on? I choose to close my door, at all times, to limit distractions for the students that are ADD, ADHD, Autistic, etc.
     
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    I always keep my door shut for the exact same reasons, allyd.
     
  8. Minerva

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    Pardon my ignorance, but what are interventionists? Are they volunteers, regular teachers, or is this a special ed pull-out?
    At any rate, I would much rather shut my door than to have my classes disturbed. I sometimes have the same situation when the kids in bilingual resource class across the hall from me wait for the teacher who is usually down in the office talking. I ask them to wait quietly, and I send a child to the office to see if the teacher is there or if perhaps her class is cancelled and we didn't hear the announcement. I have never had anyone upset over this. I think since the people across the hall choose to be irresponsible, your only choice is to close your door. It may not be your preference, but someone has to be willing to back away or it will be a constant battle. You can credit yourself with being the mature professional. We can't change other people. Is it really worth the unpleasantness your students might witness? Our school district's security officer visited the other day and said that we all should be keeping our classrooms closed and locked! I'm not happy about that. Every time a child has to go to the restroom I will have to interrupt my teaching to go let them back in. We maintain locked doors and have a security guard and I think that is enough, but if the principal tells us to lock the classroom doors, I guess we are going to have to do so.
     
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    I tend to teach with my day open as well. Not for any particular reason, but honestly, I just don't think of it unless something distracts me. (The door is in the back of the room, and I don't look at it that often to notice.) If I am doing something that is particulary noisy I close the door out of courtesy. There isn't a room across the hall from me. With the layout of our building there is a single row of rooms on each hall. There are 4 classrooms down my wing. Three of us are 5th and on the same schedule. The only room with a slightly different schedule is the 4th grade room next to me.
     
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    I like my door open too. I don't know why. But we have a few classes that are not expected to move quietly in the hallway. When they come by, I have a student shut the door. It sends a message to the passing class as well. Those kids should be monitored at all times and they should be expected to be quiet.
     
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    Hi Minerva

    I'm sorry no one has answered your question about inter....and no you are not ignorant for not knowing...I was not sure about it either, but figured it was just a term she used to describe the people sticking their noses into her business....but I am not sure! An interventionist in education (according to the net) is someone who steps in to stop some sort of destructive behavior).
     
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    I think the net definition is interesting, they 'step in to stop destructive behavior', does that mean they have special training on problem solving? Does not sound like they are using that skill. I have not heard of an interventionist either. I taught in an open concept school for 5 years, no walls, no doors and the kids were inner city..talk about noise!!
     
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    My school district has intervention teachers. They are assigned to students who are having difficulties keeping up in particular subject areas. The intervention teachers give one-on-one or small group instruction to these students.
     
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    I also keep my classroom door open very often, for cross ventilation. The door is also too heavy for my pre k/K students to open themselves, so to let them go to the bathroom on their own! My policy for noise in the hall is that when a student in the hall is making excessive noise while I am teaching, they spend their recess sitting in on a lesson. The students hate it, and it only takes one or two times before they realize that I mean bussiness!
     
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    I was wondering why the students couldn't wait in side the room the room where they get the special reading help, they could silently wait until their turn, if the interventionist think that would destract the students they are with then they should see your point on how having them in the hall way is destracting to you. However to just get along, I would try to close the door for the 10 minutes or so of your day, or ask that an adult be present with the students while they wait.
     
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    I don't mean to sound rude, but it seems like both sides are being quite stubborn. It should go both ways in my opinion, shut your door AND they need to teach the kids to be quite in the hallway. Both sides need to be respectful of the other one. If you're not willing to shut your door, which seems like a small task to ask of, then they will think that you are being difficult and not willing to do what you can on your end. In your defense, there is no reason the kids can't be taught how to be respectful of classrooms where there is instruction going on.
     
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    compromise is always a good idea, work things out, the kids will learn from your example.
     
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    Hmmm....doesn't seem to me that shutting the door is the best answer to this problem. So Sarah Leigh Ann shuts her door...which just shows the kids who are causing problems that it's OK now? To me, either these kids learn how to sit silently in the hall, or they don't go.

    What do the regular ed teachers of these kids say about this? They should be leery about sending a group of kids, unsupervised, to a location away from adult presence for an unknown period of time. If I were the classroom teacher, I wouldn't let my kids leave until I knew they were going directly to their destination, where another adult would be waiting to take the responsiblity from me. But, iomo.

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    I agree. The students do need to be supervised. Ten minutes is way too long for students not to be supervised. These students should be taught that while they are in the hallway they should not be talking. It disturbs other classrooms, no matter if the door is open or closed.
    Maybe they could do some independent reading, buddy reading, or answer comprehension questions about the book they are reading. They need to be given tasks while they are waiting.
    Our policy for the inside classrooms is to keep the doors closed. It's not really for noise, but for energy efficiency. I'm outside so I can turn off the heat/air and open the door. It's nice to get a breeze in every once in a while. While my kids are inside they know that they have to be quiet. We don't want to disturb those classes that are working hard on something.
    If you close the door, can you still hear these students?
     
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    Sarah you are not being unreasonable. I get semi-claustrophobic with the door closed (medium size room, lots of kids). Also, the kids waiting for the intervention specialist are losing valuable instructional time; either the I.S. is off-schedule and should be seeing these students on time, or their classroom teacher is sending them too early. That being said, it may not be worth the hassles it is causing.
     
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    Good points Missy.
     
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    At least your allowed to leave your door open if you want. We have to keep it closed....Fire code.
     
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    I love having my door open! I NEVER shut it unless it's on the way out to a fire drill. I think the interventionists should keep on schedule! I teach title 1 and I follow a minute by minute schedule...allowing students to waste time in the hallways in unprofessional and not in the best interest of the children. I escort each group of students to my room and back so there isn't any "funny business" in the hall. The teachers appreciate this and there is never a question as to where any particular student went...they are supervised at all times. At my school we too have high expectations for our students and they aren't permitted to talk in the hallway because they will disturb other classes... Almost ALL teachers leave their doors open...we just got new solid wood doors, :( no windows, so they prefer we have our doors open so they can see what is going on in our room without being disruptive!

    I loved our old doors with windows...they were the orginal doors in the school...built in the 1950's...they had such character...now we have ugly doors!:(
     
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    Forgive me for being a little dense...how does having the door closed HELP during a fire?
     
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    If fire is outside your room, it will prevent smoke and flames from spreading so quickly into a room that has the door closed. Do you remember the "feel the door" for heat check if you have a fire in your house. You are not suppose to open that door if it is hot. That is the same reason we all sleep with our bedroom doors closed at night.
     
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    It keeps a fire in or out longer.


    I agree the students need to be quiet in the hallway. We have a zero volume policy in our hallways. Child are not allowed to talk. Most of the teachers teach with their doors open. The only ones that don't are the special ed teachers and specialists. Of course those are the students that tend to get distracted.
     
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    I couldn't teach with my door open if I was inside. My classroom would be too noisy. We're always doing some type of project that requires noise.
     
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    There is no door on my classroom. My room is the first room at the top of the stairs and there cannot be a door at the bottom of the stairway due to state regulations. So, I hear the one year olds below me and they hear me! Usually, we don't mind, but sometimes we get on each other's nerves. Our daycare/Preschool used to be a house and has been added on to. It is very big and very homey. Anyway, we have sliding patio doors between my room and the room next to me...great sound barrier. The only thing I don't like about my room is the through traffic at times.
     
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    All of our doors are the fire resistant or whatever ones...If the fire is in the hall way it can't get in the room if the door is closed. All of our doors are like that...EVERY door MUST be closed unless it's a hallway door that is on the magnets.....They are attached to chains and the chain has a magnet that attaches to the wall to hold it open...I guess the office has a button or something that can automatically "turn off" the magnets to close those doors in the case of an emergency.
     
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    :) :thanks:
     
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    Sorry - I have been busy tutoring. The interventionists are title 1 paid teacher assistants who help with k-2 reading groups. They use to go to the classrooms and pick up kids and walk them back and forth but now they are having scheduling problems. I teach with my door open because I am a quiet person and my kids are usually quiet and I have asked the teachers around me if they can hear me and they say never. This hallway is small and only has first grade on it. All of the first grade teachers but one teach with their door open. The second grade teachers were very surprised that they were letting them hang in the hallway and have the kids stand in their classroom doorway until they motion them down now. The grade level chair even stands outside now until a teacher comes out. She usually opens my door while she stands there to see if we are being disturbed. And yes if she or another teacher are not there I can hear them through the door. The teachers are doing a much better job now- it could be all the extra eyes on them this past week. I have my kids go and close the door now when they can't hear and the interventionists said they(my kids) gave them a mean look. These women are so immature it is ridiculous. There are lots of teachers in our school who teach with an open door b/c they want the parents to feel welcome any time of the day. I think it is a personal preference and should be that. I don't mind helping someone out but talk to me like an adult and not a child.
     
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    Could they call down to a classroom when they're ready for the next bunch? That way those students aren't idly waiting in the hallway.
     
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    That would have been the big issue in our school. Kids are not to be moving between classes like that without supervision. The way our school is layed out there are doors everywhere. It's scary to think how quickly they could slip out a door and be gone.
     

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